Laker24

Do you guys ever consider the possibility that Purple Turtle is just trying to wind you up? I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't even an Airways pilot.

cactiboss

Btw, here is the language the west is asking Silver for:

R57 relay

Did you hear Laker24?

Key words, asking for. When did a court ever give AOL the wording they asked for?

I think these things will come up.

"Nevertheless, we also recognize that it is not certain whether the Nicolau Award would have been implemented fully but for USAPA’s breach. Because a good faith attempt to implement the Nicolau Award would have ultimately required a ratification vote by all the pilots, and we cannot know what the results of such a vote would have been, we can never be certain whether efforts to implement the Nicolau Award through a collective bargaining agreement with US Airways would have succeeded."

"Although there remains some ambiguity over whether the Nicolau Award would have been adopted in toto..."

"We decline to order the issuance of the West Pilots’ requested injunction
“that an unmodified Nicolau Award must be used to order the seniority of the East and West pilots in the pending McCaskill-Bond process.”"

I think the odds are in your favor cacti. You've been wrong for so long, it's time to be right about something. From your mood on here I think the win in the 9th was a shock to you.

There is some irony to the west pilots requesting the APA be enjoined in this. It was the APA that gave the west pilot a committee. A few LAA pilots wailed about USAPA having the money to sue them. Now, it's AOL that will control the money and they are threatening to sue if they don't get their way. Ah, you can't make this stuff up.

eaglefly

No, I think the point of all this is to CONTROL others. Ostensibly, not just the East, but now clearly APA and if that is successful, you're that much closer to controlling the arbitrators, at least in the West's belief. The West would prefer the East not be represented AT ALL and thus it reverses the situation the West complained about. In that case or if the East pilots (not USAPA) are required to advocate the Nic, the East argues for the West against their will and interests.

Sorry, personally, I cannot buy that as any component of a fair process.

Al Czervik

Damn eaglefly. How much time do you spend online?

eaglefly

Yup. COMPLETE control over not just any East committee, but now the APA and I think once Leo has his fangs in the APA along with whomever they send such an order too (I assume at their discretion), they force the arbitrators to not "reorder" a pre-merger seniority list that never existed in reality, instead previously being an unconsummated hypothetical. This is where this strategy is likely leading, that being (and LAA pilots here take note !) if this is successful, you can be sure part of the West's revised proposed ISL will include arguments and outright demands that since no premerger seniority list has ever been internally reordered, to do so with the NEW pre-merger LUS list would be improper and if done to the new LUS pre-merger list (based on the pure Nic by all pre-merger LUS), then the pre-merger LAA list should be reordered as well.*

*This is but one aspect of the previous tangent conversation I had with Upsddown regarding "longevity" application as a wildcard that can go in unanticipated directions and how the AE flows are now vulnerable in ways that no other stated LAA subgroup is (like native AA furloughees) considering the language of AAPSIC's initial SLI proposal regardiing who IS specifically mentioned concerning longevity and who is NOT mentioned.

Again, it's clear to me that Leo wants to get his blunt snout into the arbitrators tent flap to use as a foundation that completely redefines the pre-merger realities and logic to their metrics and this Lion is attempting to be very aggressive and cunning in pursuit of its prey, that being not just East pilots, but LAA too, just in a roundabout way that is not yet evident to many.

eaglefly

A very small portion of my day, considering online technology. The last post took about 3 minutes or so to type. Cacti and the tortoise are here just as much, yet I notice you don't make the same inquiry of them ?

But, we all know (or should) criticism can be born of selective perception.

Al Czervik

I just find it funny all of you are arguing in depth over things totally out of your control. I think the arbitrators already have the list completed.

eaglefly

Well, I'm glad you're entertained.

Anyhow, if arbitrators were to complete lists even before testimony, I see little point in hearings and written submission would be all that's required. I find it funny some actually think all the facts are in and the list is already complete.

Surprise

It's certainly not set in stone, but I'd agree they have a pretty good rough draft going.