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Wiskey Driver 04-10-2015 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO (Post 1859348)
You previously stated you had an engineering degree which I questioned. That would be a BS. Now you are saying you have a BA, which I could actually believe. Which is it?

When you fabricate crap bro, you gotta remember that fabrication.

I have a degree in Aeronautical and Astronautical Engineering just to answer your question.

I am a riddle grad don't really care what you question. I have my bachelor's in aeronautical science YES that is a BS if we are are really trying extremely hard to be technically correct which it seems you are but make no mistake I am not.

WD at AWA

FreighterGuyNow 04-10-2015 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by flyinawa (Post 1859369)
Most East pilots I see in the terminal won't even make eye contact with me



The imaginary audience refers to an egocentric state where an individual imagines and believes that multitudes of people are enthusiastically listening to or watching him or her. Though this state is often exhibited in young adolescence, people of any age may harbor a fantasy of an imaginary audience.

flyinawa 04-10-2015 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by FreighterGuyNow (Post 1859679)
The imaginary audience refers to an egocentric state where an individual imagines and believes that multitudes of people are enthusiastically listening to or watching him or her. Though this state is often exhibited in young adolescence, people of any age may harbor a fantasy of an imaginary audience.

Uh.....what?

DCA A321 FO 04-11-2015 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver (Post 1859580)
I am a riddle grad don't really care what you question. I have my bachelor's in aeronautical science YES that is a BS if we are are really trying extremely hard to be technically correct which it seems you are but make no mistake I am not.

WD at AWA

Well last time you called yourself an aeronautical engineer and now you are saying you have an aeronautical science degree. You realize they aren't the same don't you?

I find it amazing you don't know what your degree is in. OK, enough on this subject.

DCA A321 FO 04-11-2015 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by EMBFlyer (Post 1859543)
To AA's credit though, they have greatly simplified the International Procedures. I really like their way of doing a crossing.

True, but come on, the crossings weren't all that difficult to begin with.

vagabond 04-11-2015 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver (Post 1859580)
I am a riddle grad don't really care what you question. I have my bachelor's in aeronautical science YES that is a BS if we are are really trying extremely hard to be technically correct which it seems you are but make no mistake I am not.

WD at AWA


Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO (Post 1859908)
Well last time you called yourself an aeronautical engineer and now you are saying you have an aeronautical science degree. You realize they aren't the same don't you?

I find it amazing you don't know what your degree is in. OK, enough on this subject.

Mod Note:

Well, I have a doctorate so I'm better than the two of you put together! Really, guys, enough of the odious comparisons. I think there are more important issues facing your airline than who has a GED or not.

PurpleTurtle 04-11-2015 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by vagabond (Post 1860080)
Mod Note:

Well, I have a doctorate so I'm better than the two of you put together! Really, guys, enough of the odious comparisons. I think there are more important issues facing your airline than who has a GED or not.

You can't possibly have a doctorate, as your post was bereft of verbosity and wordiness.. and tautology--though it was salient.

Wiskey Driver 04-11-2015 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by vagabond (Post 1860080)
Mod Note:

Well, I have a doctorate so I'm better than the two of you put together! Really, guys, enough of the odious comparisons. I think there are more important issues facing your airline than who has a GED or not.

LMAO. EXACTLY

WD at AWA

SilverandSore 04-11-2015 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by vagabond (Post 1860080)
Mod Note:

Well, I have a doctorate so I'm better than the two of you put together! Really, guys, enough of the odious comparisons. I think there are more important issues facing your airline than who has a GED or not.

Well the drifted topic wasn't necessarily discussing the airline's standard but WD's lack of said degree. Inquiring minds want to know!

flyinawa 04-11-2015 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by SilverandSore (Post 1860240)
Well the drifted topic wasn't necessarily discussing the airline's standard but WD's lack of said degree. Inquiring minds want to know!

Inquiring minds need a hobby besides the web boards....

Spoiler 04-12-2015 05:46 AM

heard cactus at Reagan yesterday - it's not going away without a fight

flyinawa 04-12-2015 07:27 AM

I don't think anyone is fighting to hold on to "Cactus" as much as they are fighting to remember to say "American".;)

Bringupthebird 04-12-2015 07:44 AM

The number of airlines formed following deregulation and able to survive post 9-11 is a short one. Even shorter is the number of airlines able to go head-to-head with Southwest for 24 years.

Cactus earned it's respect, the last 10 years notwithstanding.

Packrat 04-12-2015 08:54 AM

Heard Cact-American a couple times yesterday.

Spoiler 04-12-2015 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by Unimpressed (Post 1859324)
New guy here. April 21 class date. Going to the "USAir" side of the new combined company. Spent many years at a "regional" carrier before being blessed enough to be chosen to make the jump to the "mainline" side where I was hoping to leave the immaturity. The bantering between the two sides is something I would expect from the regional side of the business but not from this side. Honestly both representatives from the east and the west sound like children. Regardless of what happened years ago or who brought what to the table the merger is complete. Gel together and move on. BK or no BK not one single pilot was invited to the board meeting to discuss the details. You all were given whatever management decided. I've never understood infighting amongst pilots. We are all doing the same job. It appears from my outside perspective that both sides benefitted. Unimpressed with the maturity level thus far.

and then there is the warning to those who disregard history...

Wiskey Driver 04-12-2015 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by SilverandSore (Post 1860240)
Well the drifted topic wasn't necessarily discussing the airline's standard but WD's lack of said degree. Inquiring minds want to know!

What are you talking about son? I never even finished jr high school:rolleyes: Its amazing what some of you out east look to make an issue and all you do is make yourselves look foolish.

WD at AWA

Arado 234 04-13-2015 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver (Post 1860600)
What are you talking about son? I never even finished jr high school:rolleyes: Its amazing what some of you out east look to make an issue and all you do is make yourselves look foolish.

WD at AWA

You could start with proper punctuation.... :D

Thedude 04-13-2015 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by Bringupthebird (Post 1860501)
Even shorter is the number of airlines able to go head-to-head with Southwest for 24 years.

Historically, SW did not go head to head with anybody.
They used to go into secondary and releaver airports.

Arado 234 04-13-2015 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by Thedude (Post 1861031)
Historically, SW did not go head to head with anybody.
They used to go into secondary and releaver airports.

Seriously? You are trying to argue with The Bird? Do some research on flightinfo. You are simply wasting your time.

PurpleTurtle 04-13-2015 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by Arado 234 (Post 1861048)
Seriously? You are trying to argue with The Bird? Do some research on flightinfo. You are simply wasting your time.

I doubt he is arguing with the Buzzard.. just throwing rocks.

flyinawa 04-13-2015 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by Arado 234 (Post 1861048)
Seriously? You are trying to argue with The Bird? Do some research on flightinfo. You are simply wasting your time.

Why don't you fight your own battles instead of coat holding for somebody else?

tailendcharlie 04-13-2015 10:47 AM

Well as I recall they went head-to-head vs. USAir, drove them out of the west coast, drove them out of the intra-Florida market, drove them out of their BWI hub, basically spent the entire decade of the 90's capitalizing on USAir's utter inability to compete cost-wise...


Originally Posted by Thedude (Post 1861031)
Historically, SW did not go head to head with anybody.
They used to go into secondary and releaver airports.


inline five 04-13-2015 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by tailendcharlie (Post 1861115)
Well as I recall they went head-to-head vs. USAir, drove them out of the west coast, drove them out of the intra-Florida market, drove them out of their BWI hub, basically spent the entire decade of the 90's capitalizing on USAir's utter inability to compete cost-wise...

US Air abandoned BWI because they wanted to merge with United. That being said, would SWA have started a hub there had they not? No one really knows.

For a long time SWA beat the snot out of US Air. To be frank US Air couldn't compete and instead relied exclusively on their route network.

As of now, we're still getting the snot kicked out of us.

March traffic
AAL Group -0.6%
SWA +6.7%
JetBlue +9.2%!

Those are big numbers.

cubguy 04-13-2015 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by inline five (Post 1861146)
US Air abandoned BWI because they wanted to merge with United. That being said, would SWA have started a hub there had they not? No one really knows.

For a long time SWA beat the snot out of US Air. To be frank US Air couldn't compete and instead relied exclusively on their route network.

As of now, we're still getting the snot kicked out of us.

March traffic
AAL Group -0.6%
SWA +6.7%
JetBlue +9.2%!

Those are big numbers.

Those "big numbers" are meaningless unless you figure in capacity.
AA has kept capacity under control (actually decreased) resulting in an increased load factor to offset your doom and gloom. Not sure about Jet Blue and Southwest.

There are many examples of US fighting to protect turf. They did indeed walk away from BWI and intra Florida but no one ran them off.

Those that have been around a while may remember:
United starting a North South IAD hub.
Midway PHL hub.
American RDU hub.
Continental Lite GSO hub.
Northwest DCA hub.
None succeeded.
Along with SW current PHL operation being only a fraction of what they had planned and boasted about.
I'll stick to flying and leave running the airline to those that know how.
Too many crew room CEO's!
CG

inline five 04-14-2015 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by cubguy (Post 1861209)
Those "big numbers" are meaningless unless you figure in capacity.
AA has kept capacity under control (actually decreased) resulting in an increased load factor to offset your doom and gloom. Not sure about Jet Blue and Southwest.

There are many examples of US fighting to protect turf. They did indeed walk away from BWI and intra Florida but no one ran them off.

Those that have been around a while may remember:
United starting a North South IAD hub.
Midway PHL hub.
American RDU hub.
Continental Lite GSO hub.
Northwest DCA hub.
None succeeded.
Along with SW current PHL operation being only a fraction of what they had planned and boasted about.
I'll stick to flying and leave running the airline to those that know how.
Too many crew room CEO's!
CG

Actually I disagree.

For one, traffic has nothing to do with capacity in the short term.

Traffic is just the amount of people moved.

For example. When the Wight Agreement went away in October, SWA increased traffic 10% in DAL. AA saw a decrease of 2% in DFW.

Load factor and capacity are linked. In JetBlue and SWA's case, both increased capacity and both increased load factor.

In AA's case, traffic went down and so did load factor. -0.9%.

In other words, folks are leaving us for other carriers.

cubguy 04-14-2015 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by inline five (Post 1861550)
Actually I disagree.

For one, traffic has nothing to do with capacity in the short term.

Traffic is just the amount of people moved.

For example. When the Wight Agreement went away in October, SWA increased traffic 10% in DAL. AA saw a decrease of 2% in DFW.

Load factor and capacity are linked. In JetBlue and SWA's case, both increased capacity and both increased load factor.

In AA's case, traffic went down and so did load factor. -0.9%.

In other words, folks are leaving us for other carriers.

Yea, I guess you're right, and we made how much last year compared to Jet Blue and Southwest.
Have fun worrying, think I'll go buy another boat.
CG

EMB4Ever 04-14-2015 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by cubguy (Post 1861591)
Yea, I guess you're right, and we made how much last year compared to Jet Blue and Southwest.
Have fun worrying, think I'll go buy another boat.
CG

You gonna do that with your all your profit shar....oh...nevermind.

cubguy 04-14-2015 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by EMB4Ever (Post 1861730)
You gonna do that with your all your profit shar....oh...nevermind.


Good point! I have to admit, you got me there:)

Sliceback 04-14-2015 11:05 AM

With pay raises of 30-80% over the last two years most guys are doing OK even without profit sharing.

Buy the boat.

cubguy 04-14-2015 11:35 AM

Oh, I will!


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