eaglefly

It'll be funny to watch so many dopes jack themselves into new toys and debt. Not me, I'm a saver. I like the "tortoise and hare" story and when 2020 gones around and the majority are even more vulnerable and dependent, I plan to be the opposite.

I know I can count on most of my felliow pilots to be........well, pilots. It's a major reason why I expect a complete redeux in 2020 when the majority go for quick $$$. Looking forward to the mayhem and chaos.

aa73

^^^^ words of wisdom. Right there with ya!

Splash

I have no commentary on your contract. But the "tortoise and hare" comparison needs perspective. The hare had much more fun. Ever hear the expression "Fxxx like a tortoise"?

Me either.

sailingfun

Just curious at what point you will start to enjoy what you are earning. I have known many savers who saved right up until they died or were to old to enjoy what they had saved for. I put away what is needed for retirement but freely enjoy the rest. I spent a ton of money when my kids were at home on great vacations ect.. Never regretted any of that spending. Not really into saving for big things when I am old and in a wheelchair.

Shrek

Shocked it passed - WoW !!

lear700pilot

I'm a guy from the outside looking in. I've read many pages on this thread and trying to get specifics on work rule concessions. Could someone chime in and inform what was given up?

Under the new contract here are a few additional questions:
How many days off a month for line holder/reserve?
On call periods and how many hrs to report for LCR vs SCR?
How many hours minimum monthly guarantee for line holder/reserve?

Thanks!
This at least hits some high points.

aa73

Lear, 7 concessions total. Some are less than others.

1) HBT give to the company (pilots can now acclimate overseas on local time instead of home base time - allows the company to schedule overseas routes more efficiently. Valued at around 300 extra pilots jobs)

2) combining Intl/Domestic ops (more scheduling efficiency for the company - negligible effect on pilots)

3) changing reserve availability from "reasonable available" to "promptly available" (negligible effect, but if it's the same why the change?)

4) relief to the company from "Cadillac tax" issue coming up in 2018. (Perhaps the biggest concession, as it potentially allows the company to change/terminate two of our health plans to avoid the tax, if we can't come to an agreement and the arbitrator times out. However, the question remains as to whether this tax will eventually get repealed by whatever administration is in office by then, and also, APA expects to come to an agreement with the company over this issue. Furthermore, all airlines will have to face it. So, it's a big question mark right now.)

5) contract extension for one year, with a 3% raise attached to that

6) midnight sims for landing currency (gives the company to schedule landing currency sims between midnight and 0400, but only if daytime sims cannot be accommodated.)

7) multiple month bids vs monthly bids. (allow the company to only run a vacancy bid every few months instead of our current practice of every month. )

PurpleTurtle

Being smart with your money is good.

And the only other thing ya need to be happy is to never read another APA announcement beyond the title.. saves a lot of time. There are only two exceptions to just reading the title... 1) If its safety related, read on and 2) if its a vote on a contract (i.e. more concessions as always) vote No. Beyond that APA doesn't have anything worthy of your time (and #2 is probably just a waste of time too).

You would be much better served by reading the scheduling parts of the contract so you can out maneuver the dolts that don't know the contract, but voted yes.

flyinawa

Must be an Eagle thing. I drive a 15 y/o pickup and a 25 y/o motorcycle. After years of not being able to afford to pay someone else to do it, three years ago I replaced truck's front wheel bearings and the entire front brake system by myself. I guess I've developed some angst paying someone to do the things I can do myself.

I buy what I need without a second thought but rarely buy what I "want". My wife, on the other hand, does not suffer from this affliction.

Hueypilot

So is this the thread where I announce I went and picked up my new Porsche yesterday? Or is that in another thread? Apparently there was discussion about a Polaris and deer camp leases.