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Old 01-19-2015, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
They will consider everything, including the "intent" of SLI arbitration mr Nicolau presided over.
Bingo. The weight of Nicolau is far greater than a proposal from a particular pilot group.
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Old 01-19-2015, 01:03 AM
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You must have missed the latest crew news. SLI is now predicted for 2016 because the arbitrators have pushed back on the compressed timeline.

Hang in there.
LOL. Yeah- Johnson said it might be pushed back "a little"- into early 2016- might. The original date was December 9, 2015. Have you grasped any more straws?
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Old 01-19-2015, 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by SewerPipeDvr
Now for the interesting point. Note USAPA is not directly challenging the arbitration. This is Federal Arbitration. The only legal avenue would be to file with the same board. It cannot be taken to Federal Court. Federal rules stand. USAPA is trying an end run by arguing for the Silver/ Ninth COAs. Trying to reverse a Federal Arbitration in-directly. That is why they chose counsel. He knows MB. But he won't beat RLA. East will fail their attempt. Novel approach, but they are skating on thin ice with a CBA interference injunction. The SLI will proceed, everything will be in place and USAPA will just have to live with it. As I said earlier, if Parker wants this settled, the big money will win. Expect a legal attack that will kill off the remnants of USAPA. Big money owns politics. Parker and the owners have the big money. Do the math.
You're not much of a lawyer. Why don't you read Circuit City v. Adams. The FAA doesn't apply to transportation workers. This is arbitration under M-B. That statute rules. So while it is CORRECT that is Federal, the statute that CONTROLS is M-B....not the FAA.

M-B carved seniority integration out of the RLA. Thats its purpose.

I think there is more to you than you're letting on. Why you care, I don't really know.
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Old 01-19-2015, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by GrapeNuts
LOL. Yeah- Johnson said it might be pushed back "a little"- into early 2016- might. The original date was December 9, 2015. Have you grasped any more straws?
You're laughing, that's good. Much better than the usual perpetual scowl.

The MOU timeline is dependent on many factors. SLI doesn't really start until JCBA completion, right? It's already a few months late, right? If we vote the TA down, it could drag out more, right? You said "on time", right? You're already wrong. Detail matter.

Don't stop rationing the water on the island.
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Old 01-19-2015, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Route66
You're not much of a lawyer. Why don't you read Circuit City v. Adams. The FAA doesn't apply to transportation workers. This is arbitration under M-B. That statute rules. So while it is CORRECT that is Federal, the statute that CONTROLS is M-B....not the FAA.

M-B carved seniority integration out of the RLA. Thats its purpose.

I think there is more to you than you're letting on. Why you care, I don't really know.
You are the gift that keeps on giving. You see I just love irony, and you have a gift. The East also said Nicolau was not much of a lawyer. The East also said Judge Wake then Judge Silver were not much of a lawyer. Now the each PAB member is not much of a lawyer. The East also said the company and APA's lawyers were not much of a lawyer. The East DID say wait for the Ninth COA, they are good lawyers. The worst bench in the nation, reversed nearly 2/3s of the time! Did I mention I loved irony? You cite things as if you understand the complexities of law. You don't. You just pretend to understand. I am not a lawyer either. I was an attorney. I made much more money than a lawyer, screwing sheeple just like you with contract language. Mostly I don't care other than interest in the legal wrangling. But my best friend just retired from AA not long ago and I still have two working there. All three consider US one of the reasons they had stagnation for so long. You should have gone out of business instead of hanging on and bringing down the industry. I do admit I like to bait him with this stuff. I usually keep my comments for R57. He is not a numbnuts like others here. He does not pontificate on matters outside of his expertise (well, most of the time). You will just have to wait to see if my predictions are correct. So far I am doing much better than you.
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Old 01-19-2015, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by SewerPipeDvr
You are the gift that keeps on giving. You see I just love irony, and you have a gift. The East also said Nicolau was not much of a lawyer. The East also said Judge Wake then Judge Silver were not much of a lawyer. Now the each PAB member is not much of a lawyer. The East also said the company and APA's lawyers were not much of a lawyer. The East DID say wait for the Ninth COA, they are good lawyers. The worst bench in the nation, reversed nearly 2/3s of the time! Did I mention I loved irony? You cite things as if you understand the complexities of law. You don't. You just pretend to understand. I am not a lawyer either. I was an attorney. I made much more money than a lawyer, screwing sheeple just like you with contract language. Mostly I don't care other than interest in the legal wrangling. But my best friend just retired from AA not long ago and I still have two working there. All three consider US one of the reasons they had stagnation for so long. You should have gone out of business instead of hanging on and bringing down the industry. I do admit I like to bait him with this stuff. I usually keep my comments for R57. He is not a numbnuts like others here. He does not pontificate on matters outside of his expertise (well, most of the time). You will just have to wait to see if my predictions are correct. So far I am doing much better than you.
Yeah. Probably disbarred. Blame. I love it. Your name is Jerry, Marty or Andy, is it??? So, having friends that fly for AAL makes you a "labor" expert. I can tell you you probably couldn't fly because of either your intelligence and/or health wouldn't let you, just like NOT being a "lawyer" but being a "was attorney". Cryptic and suspect, comic and sad. We pity you. Numbness, huh. You having NO dog in the fight whatsoever yet your participation on this forum (which I don't really care WHO participates, BTW) is proof you really have no life.

All that money you have, all that success, all that fame.....yet here you are. Methinks thouest protest too much. BTW, the "East" never said "senile" or otherwise. Pretend to understand the law, huh. Like, you own it. Typical liberal.

The Ninth WILL chime in on this issue. Oh, BTW, Silver got all four issues right. It's coming down to the "dicta".

I love it!!! "Screwing people like you". Someone the APA definitely affiliates with. Go tell your "best friends" I won't jerk the gear for them because I like Dante: "It's better to reign in hell than serve in heaven". They'll know EXACTLY what I mean.
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Old 01-19-2015, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by SewerPipeDvr
I am not a lawyer either. I was an attorney. I made much more money than a lawyer, screwing sheeple just like you with contract language...You should have gone out of business instead of hanging on and bringing down the industry.
Attorney? Lawyer? Really, an 'ambulance chaser' by an other name is still an 'ambulance chaser'. Don't tickle yourself with title.

You are clearly very proud of a career 'screwing' people. Your pride in yourself and your parasitic profession is noted.

Alas, if only your parasitic profession had gone out of business long ago, instead of hanging on and bringing down society as a whole.

A parasitic profession bringing down society as a whole: Interesting to note that the vast majority of politicians are 'lawyers' such as yourself.
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Old 01-19-2015, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Route66
It ain't over. Not by a long shot.
Knock it off already! This crap is getting old. The East gets a seat, the West gets the seat. Or is this another arbitration agreed to and then ignored by the East?
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Originally Posted by Frisco727
Knock it off already! This crap is getting old. The East gets a seat, the West gets the seat. Or is this another arbitration agreed to and then ignored by the East?
Well then, quit suing. We'll just see what the Ninth Circuit has in store. Don't blow a gasket.
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Old 01-19-2015, 11:17 AM
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Well then, quit suing. We'll just see what the Ninth Circuit has in store. Don't blow a gasket.
Who did I sue? Get a clue.
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