eaglefly

Well, I don't know what more we can say, but rehash the same old arguments. Few.....VERY few of any of the particulars in this messy little ménage a trois are open-minded about where their position is on this. What seems a certainty is that once the list comes out one of the parties is going to be VERY unhappy (along with pockets of individual pilots, I'm sure). For us, that means only more disenfranchisement and fragmentation to fester in the next few years only aggravating our testicle free negotiation position for 2020.

Considering the demographics of this pilot group, I think 2020 is going to be the "exit-strategy" contract for most of us. It will be the true "I don't give a **** anymore" "negotiation" and Parker, Kirby and Glass will know that on January 30 and will be ready, willing and able to let the majority sell the farm for a pleasant sayonara.

flyinawa

That's completely false. Save Dave had been recalled after a stint flying in Korea. He'd actually been back on property for quite a while. Next!

It sounds like the larger problem was the huge number of pilots that upgraded out of seniority order.

If the Nic stands, a bunch of Captains in PHL and CLT will stay junior Captains for a long time. Those hubs will stay "mini USAir" thanks to the no-bump, no flush policy but eventually everyone will upgrade around them until a normal dispersion of pilots is achieved around the system.

No, that is your perception of the Nic and how you are trying to tee it up for the AA pilots to drive it out on your behalf.

Good luck!

FreighterGuyNow

Fixed it for ya.

Dave accepted a recall to the East from furlough.

He was still furloughed awaiting recall to the America West seniority list.

That's a very important difference.

R57 relay

Nobody upgraded out of seniority. All upgrades were by the seniority lists then in effect. The same words used in the MOU.

Wiskey Driver

Dave was not furloughed at the time of the merger and in fact NO WEST pilots were on furlough at that time.

WD at AWA

Route66

That's what I've been saying here all along. Glad you finally came back to reality. What would be the "exit-strategy"????

FreighterGuyNow

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cactiboss
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Only 3 of the 65 west pilots have been recalled with no further recalls until next year. The 65 were all suppose to be recalled to cover flying planned after the POR, the Doj action threw a monkey wrench and the company stopped any further classes.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/am...-pilots-2.html

flyinawa

Did Dave's ID say USAir or America West when he took the recall? What does it say now? If a West pilot gets recalled on the East, do they have to serve a seat lock before they can transfer back to PHX?

Answer. USAir. USAir. Yes.

Wiskey Driver

My apologizes as we are taking about two entirely different mergers here. I was under the impression that you were speaking about the US/AWA merger and that is not the case. Again my apologizes.

WD at AWA

FreighterGuyNow

Gotcha WD.

No need to apologise but accepted in full.