R57 relay

I think that we agreed to let it be applied retroactively by voting in the MOU.

eaglefly

How many Group III captains positions are available on the West side in relation to the number of pilots vs. the LAA side ?

Again, these are simply issues that will have to be confronted and there is almost certain to be three different opinions. No one knows how the arbitrators will weigh this or other issues.

eaglefly

We obviously disagree about the Nics pure inclusion. The only difference between us is that apparently I'm willing to say its possible I'll be wrong. The slotting of LUS pilots IS of concern here my friend, but I think claiming you speak for those at LAA or the LAA merger committee is simply something that is desire and not fact.

eaglefly

Ok, I'll concede 6 years and the term "most" IS simply the point where the West could have a majority even if by 1 pilot over the East. I never said the West would rule with certainty, just that I agreed it is then POSSIBLE to gain control of the union and do a reverse of what East majority rule has accomplished in the last 10 years.

2600 post merger hires that might vote on maintaining the status quo of separate divisions or agreeing to the Nic and finally combining the pilots. Since the Nic has little to no negative impact on them (in fact, just the opposite in your future scenario), I would argue in that situation, it is even MORE likely the West would see the Nic as the newer pilots would see more benefit of one seniority list as opposed to two.

eaglefly

Remember too that if it's not something the West approves of, it's not true. Likewise for the East.

There are no such things as facts, only perception.

eaglefly

All McCaskill-Bond provides is a fair process. The fairness (at least as far as the three recognized parties interests are concerned) has now been met by virtue of each party gaining the ability to present their position and what they believe to be supporting facts of that position. That's all. Any one of the parties can put forth any position on their list as opposed to the others. Of course, it is at their own jeopardy as well as benefit, so there's a cautious line to walk there. The other aspect is that neutral arbitrators will decide.

There is no requirement for the arbitrators to segment the arbitration to some type of preliminary award like the Nic and then restart the arbitration to then integrate with LAA, although I can see that would be attractive to the West. Now, as stated above, they can certainly make that request and quite frankly, I believe they will do just that. Personally, I don't see that occurring though and believe they will take it under consideration when they adjourn to craft their final ISL.

FreighterGuyNow

As well it should be.

the dead last bottom F/O on the West list was furloughed when the merger was announced.

Under the Nic, he is 300 numbers senior to the bottom East A-320 Captain.

So A we slot a bottom East Captain ( who actually holds the job ) with the bottom American Captain on the S- 80 in Dfw - netting our intrepid Bottom West F/O 300 numbers up the American Captain list.

Or B we slot our bottom West F/O in with the American F/O list which forces hundreds of East Captains junior to all the American and America West First Officers.

That is the Nic and I, for one, am happy to have a 3 merger commitee poo fling just for the show.

eaglefly

As I stated, I disagree with this "slotting" as it demonstrates how the Nic has the ability to expand windfalls such as this to then infect the LAA side. With 3 lists, a more fair and EQUITABLE result is more easily obtained. Again, just my opinion. IF the arbitrators use the Nic, it requires more effort and complexity to mitigate this windfall from metastasis to LAA pilots and is more in-line with upholding the concept of pre-merger career expectations.

Clearly, many West pilots here disagree though and believe that all aspects of this 3-way SLI come second to their pure Nic beliefs and interests.

FreighterGuyNow

Agreed in totality.

Give it a week until the voting JCBA ends n everyone turns attentions to this .......

Wiskey Driver

Help me to understand your position of how LUS slotting is of any concern to AA pilots and should I be concerned about how AA is slotted?

WD at AWA