Originally Posted by eaglefly

Traditionally, different segments of pilots are treated differently in SLI's. In the final slotting, it would likely mean said new-hires would still be junior to all West pilots who had no pre-merger International wide body expectations. West pilots with no pre-merger International wide body expectations wouldn't likely be denied those opportunities, just MAY be slotted differently with other more senior pilots on the LAA and/or East side who did have those expectations pre-merger because of it unless fences are used to mitigate inequalities and/or to preserve pre-merger career expectations. I'm not saying West pilots won't have future International wide body options, just that since they didn't have them pre-merger, the arbitrators will have to quantify that issue and incorporate that as part of their final hybrid ISL.

It's another reason arbitrators like to avoid fences and if that's the case, the more "pure" way to complete the ISL means different slotting.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Huh ?



I've read several and have the UAL/CAL award in my hot little hands as we speak (I've been through it perhaps a dozen times). Obviously, you're in denial. The concept of pre-merger career expectations will be one of the major factors argued in this SLI. To what degree the arbitrators assign weight to it is anyone's guess. I'm sorry this upsets you as it appears to do.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

Well you say phoenix pilots had no chance ever to fly wide bodies because they didn't at the time of the merger. American was in bankruptcy at the time of the merger so the corollary should be that they would forever be in bankruptcy. Both of these statements are ridiculous. Similar arguments have been trashed repeatedly by arbitration boards. I don't know what I am in denial about, I just read history. Your arguments are the epitome of failed arbitration attempts throughout history. But hey, it should work for you.

Originally Posted by Name User

AWA had 747's on property at one point.

Saying they'd never have wide bodies is a stretch when it has already happened. Certainly not as many as AA had at the time of their bankruptcy, but AA was shedding routes to jetBlue and others at an alarming rate.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

Well you say phoenix pilots had no chance ever to fly wide bodies because they didn't at the time of the merger. American was in bankruptcy at the time of the merger so the corollary should be that they would forever be in bankruptcy. Both of these statements are ridiculous. Similar arguments have been trashed repeatedly by arbitration boards. I don't know what I am in denial about, I just read history. Your arguments are the epitome of failed arbitration attempts throughout history. But hey, it should work for you.

Originally Posted by fr8tmastr

Look out AA here it comes, you were saved so be thankful.

Originally Posted by Name User

AWA had 747's on property at one point.

Saying they'd never have wide bodies is a stretch when it has already happened. Certainly not as many as AA had at the time of their bankruptcy, but AA was shedding routes to jetBlue and others at an alarming rate.

Originally Posted by fr8tmastr

Look out AA here it comes, you were saved so be thankful.

Originally Posted by fr8tmastr

I agree that picking any point in time and arguing your whole career should be based on that is complete BS. One quick look at most airline pilots over the years, a snap shot taken just one year apart could result in wildly differing "expectations"
The expectation thing like you stated earlier IS just a power grab, where the pilot is trying to one up the other.
Expectations should not enter into any kind of union activity. Not even in the newest merger