eaglefly

If successful, it will cost you far more in the long-run in stagnation.
Sometimes putting shiny pieces of candy in the bowl is a good way to distract you from noticing the rat turds inside. There is no profit-sharing and the pay boost over Delta is far short of an equalizer. The needless inclusion of a scope airframe increase is less (to me) about the damage of the numerical additions, but more about the message it sends if you really look.

That message tells me these guys are untrustworthy opportunists willing to play games upon those they are supposedly attempting to gain trust. Either they're very crafty (manipulative con artists) or very stupid. If it's the former, you never can trust them no matter what they say as this is simply a form of manipulation and if it's the latter, well.......what can you say about that ?

I'm not worried about them trying to run 600 large RJ's around. That will be near impossible even with the scheme they plan on of attracting entry level pilots to them as the only entry to AA, which will fail when DAL and UAL hire directly to mainline in large numbers. Some may come , but will bail for the better mainline ( or even LCC) spot elsewhere and it will be a temporary training ground failing to achieve its purpose. No, this was a colossal error IMO because of what it truly reveals about the "new" Parker (no different then the old one) and arbitration will ensure the "new" AA has most of the same problems as the old AA did.

Once the well is poisoned, it's very difficult to un-poison it. APA and AA pilots handed him the keys to AA and he thundered down the block, did a Rockford and ran over us in the opposite direction. THAT is the message you really need to see going forward.

Snickers

Guys, please vote no.

Al Czervik

Dont buy into it tex. They aren't going to move 190's to west Texas either...

eaglefly

Once he became so intoxicated on the shiny candy (hourly rates), his brain shut down. Happens all the time with gullible pilots negotiating their contracts. That's why a candy man like Glass is so sought after.

Unfortunately, they misread the situation and BLEW that one chance at a good first impression. No way this gets to the pilots - there would be a pitchfork party at Fort O.

eaglefly

I don't see anything to vote on and don't think this will see the light of day at the line pilot level.....not unless the BOD is willing to risk a mass recall attempt.

Surprise

As for compensation, the payscale looks ok. Today. But Delta is fixing to get more within 14 months or so. Plus they have 8-15% (or more?) on top of that in the form of profit sharing. And then there's the work rules which may allow Delta and United pilots to credit hundreds more hours per year than us.

However they want to do it, the company needs to make Box 1 on the W2 match our peers. And even then, there's other compensation that needs to be considered, like retirement contributions (ours are admittedly good), insurance, and per diem.

I guess my point is: don't be fooled by a shiny payscale. My initial take is we'd still be 15-20% behind in total compensation.

LIOG41

The pay scale is not even remotely shiny compared to our "large network peers"...so it shouldn't fool anyone. If it does, you need to take a step back and look at the big picture.

Surprise

And for that matter, screw the "large network peers". Why should JetBlue pay more on the 190? And SWA on the 737?

texaspilot76

No need to bicker over other details in the proposal, as they have not been published yet. I based my opinion on everything else remaining status quo. Keep in mind that whatever TA the union puts forth will be way better than what we can expect in arbitration per the MOU. The MOU is what is really screwing us. We are in a corner.

As far as the 117 thing, what does HBT stand for?

Gallifrey

Hbt = home base time. Whats the company's reason for combined domestic and international ops