AAL submits proposal
11-20-2014, 04:53 AM
#251
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Which half are you joking about?
11-20-2014, 09:56 AM
#252
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And IF they get to a point in the next few yrs where they have staffing problems at the regionals, they'll say "we're keeping all the 70 seaters flying and only parking the 50's, sorry you already agreed to let us fly them so were parking the 50's instead of the 70's- grieve it." And all of a sudden there are no 50 seaters flying around anymore and the smallest plane flying at a regional is a 70 seater.....scary thought, no?
11-20-2014, 06:34 PM
#253
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Parker want's scope relief from AA to grow and increase the regional flying. That will give him and the execs 1 million dollars ADDITIONAL in revenue profits per AIRPLANE per YEAR. Time that number by 300-400 planes and you'll see they're fighting over some serious money (3-400 millions ADDITIONAL profit per year). With that kind of regional growth Mainline won't grow as planned and it will create INSTABILITY at mainline down the road.
What you should do is to have them place the LARGE regional jets (E175's) on the mainline certificate. Now that will give you STABILITY and JOB PROTECTION.
Giving up scope or changing the definition of a LARGE rj (from 76 to 81/84) is the last thing you wan't to give up or do. Good luck with the battle and best of luck to you guys/gals. Stand Strong. -D
What you should do is to have them place the LARGE regional jets (E175's) on the mainline certificate. Now that will give you STABILITY and JOB PROTECTION.
Giving up scope or changing the definition of a LARGE rj (from 76 to 81/84) is the last thing you wan't to give up or do. Good luck with the battle and best of luck to you guys/gals. Stand Strong. -D
11-20-2014, 06:41 PM
#254
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Parker want's scope relief from AA to grow and increase the regional flying. That will give him and the execs 1 million dollars ADDITIONAL in revenue profits per AIRPLANE per YEAR. Time that number by 300-400 planes and you'll see they're fighting over some serious money (3-400 millions ADDITIONAL profit per year). With that kind of regional growth Mainline won't grow as planned and it will create INSTABILITY at mainline down the road.
What you should do is to have them place the LARGE regional jets (E175's) on the mainline certificate. Now that will give you STABILITY and JOB PROTECTION.
Giving up scope or changing the definition of a LARGE rj (from 76 to 81/84) is the last thing you wan't to give up or do. Good luck with the battle and best of luck to you guys/gals. Stand Strong. -D
What you should do is to have them place the LARGE regional jets (E175's) on the mainline certificate. Now that will give you STABILITY and JOB PROTECTION.
Giving up scope or changing the definition of a LARGE rj (from 76 to 81/84) is the last thing you wan't to give up or do. Good luck with the battle and best of luck to you guys/gals. Stand Strong. -D
Company has pulled all scope/regional increases off table.
11-21-2014, 06:29 PM
#255
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11-22-2014, 04:32 AM
#257
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APA stated they wanted the 175 at mainline. The only problem is Parker would want DL (-85%) APA has their work cut out for them right now dealing with bad management.
11-22-2014, 05:02 AM
#258
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They are however scrupulous, which if they don't partner with the pilot group for greater efficiency/productivity is unfortunate.
11-22-2014, 05:10 AM
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No I am sure of it now, its not bad management it stupid labor. Pilots are their own worst enemy. Pilots are one step behind doctors in thinking that we are GODS gift to the world and that we are the lords of all creations. Everyone wants to be us so that must mean that we are supremely intelligent. The fact of the matter is pilots have shown over the years just how really stupid we are and how easily we can be bought off.
Dangle a nice hourly rate in front of us and we will tout that we are the best but each and every one of us failed to read the work rules which really made the sweet hourly rate not too sweet at all.
Promise us new big shiny airplanes to fly and we will cream all down our legs to get to it but since we didn't do a good job of really reading that contract with got shaft on that end too.
Management teams bring in hired guns to do what they know they are not really capable of doing. Management knows their limitations and they stay in their lane. Pilots however, well we are smarter so we feel that we have the ability to go toe to toe with these professional negotiators and come out on the winning end. This is arrogance at is highest level and it has ALWAYS served to work against us yet we keep repeating the cycle over and over and each time we expect and different result. That my fellow aviators is pure insanity!
So when you use a term like BAD MANAGEMENT, I think you really need to go back and take a long look at just who and what is really bad.
It really pained me to make this post because I am after all one of us. Sometimes we really need a strong dose of truth in hopes that someday we might learn and change the way we have been failing ourselves...
WD at AWA
11-22-2014, 07:12 AM
#260
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Not so sure that "bad management" is the proper term. Parker is doing just what has been trained to do and expect. See when you have a labor group that is dead focused on killing each other it really eliminates the worry management usually has when having to deal with that group. Parker was able toviolate sections of the west contact because he knew that there would be minimal pushback from east run usapa. He never had to worry about labor unrest focused at management because pilot labor was focused on one another. He was further able to keep the flight attnds at bay by stating that they wanted to get all deals done at once so it stalled them out for 8yrs as well.
No I am sure of it now, its not bad management it stupid labor. Pilots are their own worst enemy. Pilots are one step behind doctors in thinking that we are GODS gift to the world and that we are the lords of all creations. Everyone wants to be us so that must mean that we are supremely intelligent. The fact of the matter is pilots have shown over the years just how really stupid we are and how easily we can be bought off.
Dangle a nice hourly rate in front of us and we will tout that we are the best but each and every one of us failed to read the work rules which really made the sweet hourly rate not too sweet at all.
Promise us new big shiny airplanes to fly and we will cream all down our legs to get to it but since we didn't do a good job of really reading that contract with got shaft on that end too.
Management teams bring in hired guns to do what they know they are not really capable of doing. Management knows their limitations and they stay in their lane. Pilots however, well we are smarter so we feel that we have the ability to go toe to toe with these professional negotiators and come out on the winning end. This is arrogance at is highest level and it has ALWAYS served to work against us yet we keep repeating the cycle over and over and each time we expect and different result. That my fellow aviators is pure insanity!
So when you use a term like BAD MANAGEMENT, I think you really need to go back and take a long look at just who and what is really bad.
It really pained me to make this post because I am after all one of us. Sometimes we really need a strong dose of truth in hopes that someday we might learn and change the way we have been failing ourselves...
WD at AWA
No I am sure of it now, its not bad management it stupid labor. Pilots are their own worst enemy. Pilots are one step behind doctors in thinking that we are GODS gift to the world and that we are the lords of all creations. Everyone wants to be us so that must mean that we are supremely intelligent. The fact of the matter is pilots have shown over the years just how really stupid we are and how easily we can be bought off.
Dangle a nice hourly rate in front of us and we will tout that we are the best but each and every one of us failed to read the work rules which really made the sweet hourly rate not too sweet at all.
Promise us new big shiny airplanes to fly and we will cream all down our legs to get to it but since we didn't do a good job of really reading that contract with got shaft on that end too.
Management teams bring in hired guns to do what they know they are not really capable of doing. Management knows their limitations and they stay in their lane. Pilots however, well we are smarter so we feel that we have the ability to go toe to toe with these professional negotiators and come out on the winning end. This is arrogance at is highest level and it has ALWAYS served to work against us yet we keep repeating the cycle over and over and each time we expect and different result. That my fellow aviators is pure insanity!
So when you use a term like BAD MANAGEMENT, I think you really need to go back and take a long look at just who and what is really bad.
It really pained me to make this post because I am after all one of us. Sometimes we really need a strong dose of truth in hopes that someday we might learn and change the way we have been failing ourselves...
WD at AWA
I disagree with the WAY you want East pilots treated than the West pilots.
You might want to look in the mirror this time which you NEVER do and continue to bring up the treatment of USAPA East pilots yet FAIL to condemn your own.
Let this be a LESSON to the new hires that anything other than LOS will simply divide, conquer and DISSOLVE the labor union movement which has happened here at American.
The day pilots QUIT blaming others and look at the way THEY do business will change happen. Until then I expect the same response from WD and the same BLAME GAME that always happens here.
Last edited by Route66; 11-22-2014 at 07:43 AM.
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