AAL submits proposal
11-13-2014, 02:43 PM
#161
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Joined APC: Dec 2012
Posts: 547
Just don't forget about Group I
We threw this group under the bus in the MOU because no body cared about 20 little airplanes. What happens when we bite on the higher pay rates if Parker takes scope off the table and we end up with 250 110 seat 195's and a bunch of canceled 321/737 orders....
He would have a third of the airline flying around working for what are glorified regional pay rates!
We threw this group under the bus in the MOU because no body cared about 20 little airplanes. What happens when we bite on the higher pay rates if Parker takes scope off the table and we end up with 250 110 seat 195's and a bunch of canceled 321/737 orders....
He would have a third of the airline flying around working for what are glorified regional pay rates!
Let them use that for large RJ flying
I doubt the economics of the 175 are much different
11-13-2014, 03:04 PM
#162
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Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: Airbus button pusher
Posts: 2,448
You're right....it matters little. But what YOU "believe" is what YOU think the "interests" of the AA line pilots as a group. I am not here to convince, really. I don't expect those who repeat the same mistakes to listen to my observations. I may be "brand new" on this forum but I can ASSURE you I am NOT brand new to the airline NOR am I a junior New American Pilot.
I like the onion and you would be surprised that the APA and ALPA prints a lot that certainly LOOKS and SOUNDS like the onion.
What I AM here to establish is, when ALL this stuff eventually shakes out I get the bragging rights to say...."See, I told you so!" That's all.
Continue on you're jihadi crusade.
I like the onion and you would be surprised that the APA and ALPA prints a lot that certainly LOOKS and SOUNDS like the onion.
What I AM here to establish is, when ALL this stuff eventually shakes out I get the bragging rights to say...."See, I told you so!" That's all.
Continue on you're jihadi crusade.
11-13-2014, 03:06 PM
#165
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Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 453
As much as I would love to see this contract voted down, I don't think you will come out any better in arbitration. I can't imagine arbitrators feeling pity for anyone making over 100k/yr. I know it's stupid, you know it's stupid, but I don't think arbitration will help the contract overall. You might make a couple improvements with work rules. I can't see pay or an hour cap being raised.
We really need to get rid of RLA to get any real gains for pilots.
Good luck all.
We really need to get rid of RLA to get any real gains for pilots.
Good luck all.
Last edited by Maingear; 11-13-2014 at 03:50 PM.
11-13-2014, 03:21 PM
#166
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: C-17 AC; 767 FO
Posts: 30
From the beginning of the merger.........
In a special memo to employees, Parker said his target total compensation would be about 20% below that of the United and Delta CEOs and more than 90% of it would be based on performance.
“I won’t be paid as much as my peers at Delta and United until you are,”
Is APA prepared to hold him accountable for this statement?
Also, Parker gets substantially more money in stock options based on American's performance. He's going to get paid to the tune of $18M I think based on the performance of the company that we've given him!
So really his base salary, yes is 20% lower than his peers, but how about after bonuses? (for someone who doesn't believe in PS to drive better performance?)
Last I checked I was working at a 41% discount to my peers.....
In a special memo to employees, Parker said his target total compensation would be about 20% below that of the United and Delta CEOs and more than 90% of it would be based on performance.
“I won’t be paid as much as my peers at Delta and United until you are,”
Is APA prepared to hold him accountable for this statement?
Also, Parker gets substantially more money in stock options based on American's performance. He's going to get paid to the tune of $18M I think based on the performance of the company that we've given him!
So really his base salary, yes is 20% lower than his peers, but how about after bonuses? (for someone who doesn't believe in PS to drive better performance?)
Last I checked I was working at a 41% discount to my peers.....
11-13-2014, 03:49 PM
#167
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Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,238
As much as I would love to see this contract voted down, I don't think you will come out any better in arbitration. I can't imagine arbitrators feeling pity for anyone making over 100k/yr. I know it's stupid, you know it's stupid, but I don't think arbitration will not help the contract overall. You might make a couple improvements with work rules. I can't see pay or an hour cap being raised.
We really need to get rid of RLA to get any real gains for pilots.
Good luck all.
We really need to get rid of RLA to get any real gains for pilots.
Good luck all.
11-13-2014, 06:21 PM
#168
Are we there yet??!!
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,010
11-13-2014, 07:44 PM
#169
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Joined APC: Jul 2009
Posts: 581
You're right....it matters little. But what YOU "believe" is what YOU think the "interests" of the AA line pilots as a group. I am not here to convince, really. I don't expect those who repeat the same mistakes to listen to my observations. I may be "brand new" on this forum but I can ASSURE you I am NOT brand new to the airline NOR am I a junior New American Pilot.
I like the onion and you would be surprised that the APA and ALPA prints a lot that certainly LOOKS and SOUNDS like the onion.
What I AM here to establish is, when ALL this stuff eventually shakes out I get the bragging rights to say...."See, I told you so!" That's all.
Continue on you're jihadi crusade.
I like the onion and you would be surprised that the APA and ALPA prints a lot that certainly LOOKS and SOUNDS like the onion.
What I AM here to establish is, when ALL this stuff eventually shakes out I get the bragging rights to say...."See, I told you so!" That's all.
Continue on you're jihadi crusade.
This is morally JUSTIFIABLE indignation. Anyone in the aviation industry- apparently including management from the other major airlines, understands this. It is very telling that you do not get it.
11-13-2014, 07:45 PM
#170
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Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 453
I don't have an answer to that question, but something needs to be done in order to see a return of good pilot pay and benefits that were last seen 14 years ago. I would like to see ALPA lobby very aggressively to get the RLA changed. Of course Congress will never approve it since it will hurt them visiting their vacation homes and families on the weekends.
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