AAL submits proposal
11-13-2014, 07:47 AM
#121
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Nope, they won't figure it out. The preference was disunity at LUS over settlement. Same old same old. The rest of the company is on board with the New American, the FA's narrowly missed a razor thin margin of passing which would have left the Pilots as the target of greed should they not agree to something other than the arbitrated settlement. This is classic Lorenzo, demonize one group at a time. The JCBA extension played right in their hands pointing to pilots as opportunists in league with the company preventing the FA's from "me too" gets. History does repeat itself, especially if it is the same players. Patton read Rommel's book.
11-13-2014, 08:09 AM
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AAL guys should watch this:
>> - Videos - Section 01 - Scope <<
It's an overview of the current UAL/CAL JCBA Section 1 scope language that was ratified in 2012. On the date of signing there were significant protections added with additional decreases of outsourced flying over the duration of the CBA.
Love it or hate it, DAL and UAL are "industry standard" with UAL being a bit more restrictive.
Another thing to consider is getting squeezed at both ends - regional and international flying. Carefully read the international scope for language that restricts the company from forming international joint ventures or code sharing that include revenue share. The concept of "metal in the market" means they don't get paid (as much) on a route unless they operate flights on that route.
Hold the line guys - good luck!
>> - Videos - Section 01 - Scope <<
It's an overview of the current UAL/CAL JCBA Section 1 scope language that was ratified in 2012. On the date of signing there were significant protections added with additional decreases of outsourced flying over the duration of the CBA.
Love it or hate it, DAL and UAL are "industry standard" with UAL being a bit more restrictive.
Another thing to consider is getting squeezed at both ends - regional and international flying. Carefully read the international scope for language that restricts the company from forming international joint ventures or code sharing that include revenue share. The concept of "metal in the market" means they don't get paid (as much) on a route unless they operate flights on that route.
Hold the line guys - good luck!
11-13-2014, 08:39 AM
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11-13-2014, 08:43 AM
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This pilot group collectively gave up pay and retirement for over a decade so that these airlines could live to see another day. They worked longer hours with fewer benefits. They invested their lives in this company. When things were bad, management said, "We are all in this together." When the merger was being threatened, the company came to the employees and said,"We are all in this together." So the employees lobbied to help push the merger through.
Now when times are good this company proposes to be the only airline except for Spirit to not give employees profit sharing. Does management really think that arbitration is the way to go?
Now when times are good this company proposes to be the only airline except for Spirit to not give employees profit sharing. Does management really think that arbitration is the way to go?
Bet on it.
11-13-2014, 10:47 AM
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Just a thought here:
What if we said "ok, we will allow you to add an RJ for every additional mainline aircraft you add, and if you reduce a mainline airframe, you drop an RJ."
It seems an agreement like that would prevent job loss, and perhaps increase mainline pilot jobs. We could offer something like that in exchange for higher rates and profit sharing.
What if we said "ok, we will allow you to add an RJ for every additional mainline aircraft you add, and if you reduce a mainline airframe, you drop an RJ."
It seems an agreement like that would prevent job loss, and perhaps increase mainline pilot jobs. We could offer something like that in exchange for higher rates and profit sharing.
11-13-2014, 10:49 AM
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11-13-2014, 11:29 AM
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Parker and friends think they want arbitration now. I seriously do not think he ever figured we would take the offer presented. So wait a few weeks while the situation simmers and see if he doesn't sweeten up the deal while arbitration is taking place. And while I haven't always been the greatest supporter of our negotiating team in the past, they seem to be doing a pretty decent job considering the circumstances. My hope is that our "no thanks" reply to the AA's proposal will put the ball on management's side of the court. Let them counter or suffer the consequences of a discouraged work group. If its the latter, then thats their choice to live with the results, not ours.
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