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11-12-2014, 10:14 AM

#91

eaglefly

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Originally Posted by justfun

Texas,
They want us to pay a 40% excise tax on our healthcare!

Which wipes out the Delta "plus" rates as well. When taken as a whole, this offer clearly meets "lowball" status. Trust is gone and all that's left are two con men who hired a scammer to sell us a bill of goods.

11-12-2014, 10:16 AM

#92

Surprise

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So what's thinking from the experienced guys? Does this first shot have Glass fingerprints all over it?

11-12-2014, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MarineGrunt

The way I understand it was that the company wants to put 5 more seats on what is considered something "other than" large RJs. Basically, we'd still be giving up 5 more seats to scope, but they just put them on a smaller aircraft rather than a larger one.

75% is the number for TOTAL regional feed.

Actually...it's worse than that. Parker is limited to 75% of the Narrow Body fleet (appropriately 800 NB aircraft) in total (so called) Regional Jets...or, 600 RJs. Right now...he's limited to 40% of the Narrow Body fleet for RJs with between 66-76 seats...that's 320 "large" RJs. With this proposal, he's taking the 66-71 seat aircraft OUT of the 40% limitation and INTO the 75% limitation (which,because 600 is so high, may as well be unlimited...). With the 66-71 seat aircraft out of the limit, he can get even more 76 seat (so called) RJs. It's disgusting. Delta + 30% wouldn't be worth that...

11-12-2014, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Autothrust

It is disappointing to read this. I hope that this is not a widespread sentiment. To be honest there are a whole lot of us in our late 30's early 40's stuck at regionals and less than desirable carriers due to decisions made when we were in high school. We certainly didn't outsource the flying and would have much rather spent the last decade at a Major. Between the advent of the RJ and the last decades world events we are way behind and not even close to a "Golden Career". I for one am really pulling for you guys and hoping for mainline growth so that I can at least finish up somewhere good.

Try not to let Parker find a new division. This is the only way that he knows how to manage. While there is a certain amount of truth to what you just quoted, remember that quote is a "he said, he said" situation. I am one of the old guys and I would say no to this offer. Furthermore there is no reason for old guys to throw you under the bus - management will do it and make you think it was our idea. I am sure we do have different objectives and that much is true but we can both be happy. They are trying to use these differences right out of the gate. Give the old guys a little more than they thought they would get in 2015 in exchange for a 2020 contract. This offer was insulting. To bring Glass in is insulting.

11-12-2014, 10:49 AM

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40% tax on our healthcare plans? After reviewing how crappy the current AA plans are, how in the heck could they be considered a "cadillac" plan?! They are far from it!

11-12-2014, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Surprise

So what's thinking from the experienced guys? Does this first shot have Glass fingerprints all over it?

YES- There was no other reason to bring him on.

11-12-2014, 11:10 AM

#97

KiloAlpha

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How long until Parker has 13,000 pilots burning 3, flying fast, and writing up planes at outstations?

11-12-2014, 12:39 PM

#98

70Espada

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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle

Just go to the APA negotiating home page. It's all there in black and white. It's a land grab pure and simple... In the midst of a $4B profit year, they are looking to the pilots to give up more to make it a $5B profit next year.

AA is gonna long for the days of Tom Horton, just like East guys wish they still had the good old days of Stephen Wolf.

So making $billions is bad, we want someone who A) has a great plan to enter bankruptcy #2 or B) sets a path towards liquidation??? Are you for real?

11-12-2014, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 70Espada

So making $billions is bad, we want someone who A) has a great plan to enter bankruptcy #2 or B) sets a path towards liquidation??? Are you for real?

What?

Making $Bs is fine if the employees are respected. Lying to us about building trust and industry leading contracts, while offering a land grab concessionary contract is complete BS.

11-12-2014, 02:07 PM

#100

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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone

Delta Profit Sharing this year for us is a bit larger. Maybe close to 2 months worth of pay..

Please dont look to us for your next contract. We are already pushing for restoration plus inflation for our upcoming contract 2015. You need to leap us by at least 30-40%. This is ridiculous how the unions think it is ok to fly for paltry, stale, bankruptcy wages while the company is making TONS of cash.

It is time to reset our wages to year 2000 plus 15 years of inflation plus COLA.

We are worth every bit.

TEN

PS. Sorry for intruding on your thread

OK, I like the way you think, but......... APA already bargained everything away. The industry leading leftovers of the AWA contract (yes, I know there wasn't much) and the remaining good things of legacy US..... GONE, or at least soon to be. Trip duty rigs, IVR jump seat system, LTD, etc, etc. Buh bye. They also agreed to binding arbitration, so if we turn this down, how do you think we'll fair with an arbitrator? Don't get me wrong, I'm thankfull for the merger and understand the APA wanting to get rid of Horton, but we won't be matching you for a long time. Could you walk in my resume?