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Old 09-21-2014, 06:44 PM
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No scope relief period
That is why you went with Parker over Horton - now you want to give Parker the plan Horton proposed? OMG can the BOD be any more short sighted?
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Old 09-21-2014, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Saabs
Speaking of, what's the history of Mesa and them having more than 76 seat jets?
I think they're grandfathered in.. not allowed to get any more.
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Old 09-22-2014, 08:43 AM
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Make no mistake- the piedmont pilots won't be "falling on their sword for the rest of the industry" as they so elegantly put it, one would expect them to apply the same logic to a vote when they flow to airways....
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Old 09-22-2014, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DashDriverYV
Why not just give up group 2 all together so we can all be wide body pilots?
Hey, I don't fault you for your ideas as you campaign for ALPA President, but you are on the wrong message board.
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Old 09-23-2014, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by griff312
I The Eagle, er Envoy pilots down and told him "NO"! Not once, but Three times. Unfortunately, PSA and PDT couldn't see all this and told him "Yes". If Parker can drive the cost of the regionals down enough, he'll be asking you to give up your 190's, or group 2 aircraft to the regionals, or threaten your pay under that you agreed to in the MOU. What'll be next? MD80's, 737's? .
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Old 09-23-2014, 04:38 PM
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Eagle savin the mainline - are you for real?
Yes. You're welcome! Actually, and in all fairness, we are trying to preserve those jobs at the mainline so that we have a decent job there to 'graduate' to, if you will. We would much rather stick to smaller airframes (since that is all they will pay us for) while at the regionals, so that it makes for more pilot seats available for us to get hired into at the mainline. I'd rather fly the group 1 aircraft at mainline, at mainline pay, than fly the same aircraft at Eagle, for Eagle pay. Does that make sense?

Having said all of that, I doubt that the good folks at APA would fall for giving up scope. I think it will be a non-issue. They are smart enough to fight like hell to keep as much flying in house as they can. As they should. What I was saying in the original post, is that by the regionals capitulating to more concessions, it would make for more effort for APA to justify keeping flying in house (retain scope).
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Old 09-23-2014, 07:30 PM
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Eagle savin the mainline - are you for real?
I don't know if they're saving anyone. But it sure seems like they're trying not to hurt anyone. I respect that.
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Originally Posted by JohnLocke
Make no mistake- the piedmont pilots won't be "falling on their sword for the rest of the industry" as they so elegantly put it, one would expect them to apply the same logic to a vote when they flow to airways....
nailed it...as they voted 77% to continue the downslide/wipsaw of the regionals
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Old 09-24-2014, 06:04 PM
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Eagle savin the mainline - are you for real?
They just showed some balls and didn't cave in to parker who wanted to hand them another pay cut. Stop giving them $hit.
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Old 09-24-2014, 07:28 PM
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Eagle is full of good guys, I commuted on them for years. Really a good group and very professional. I'm glad they have a flow and hope everyone can escape commuter-ville but the reality is, that's just how the regionals are. Sucks. I pinch myself every time I sign in for a trip at mainline, guys who spent little or no time at the regionals have no idea how bad it is compared to here.

If we up scope to 81/88 seats etc. kiss the 190's goodbye and 200+ guys as well. I thought the APA was anti-giving up more scope? Or just for the right price? DAL is getting 88 110 seat B717's, that's roughly 1,000 guys!
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