Industry Leading without Profit Sharing??
09-22-2014, 04:15 PM
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The Flight Attendants are saying they have an industry leading contract.
Does anyone know any of the highlights?
Mr. Parker has had his pilots on substandard wages for the last 10 years.
I would be surprised to see him share the good times with a splintered pilot group. He won't give us a raise just because he likes us!
Does anyone know any of the highlights?
Mr. Parker has had his pilots on substandard wages for the last 10 years.
I would be surprised to see him share the good times with a splintered pilot group. He won't give us a raise just because he likes us!
09-23-2014, 05:14 AM
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09-25-2014, 08:04 AM
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How can Parker and APA ignore that? 10% higher on rates maybe, but otherwise, share the wealth.
09-25-2014, 08:17 AM
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I believe so. The APA has stated they plan to persue all flying in E-175 aircraft and so I suppose if APA opens the door on that, management is free to persue relaxed scope, although APA/USAPA proposed no changes to scope in their initial proposal to management, so we'll have to wait and see what, if any changes management wants. Parker claimed one of his primary goals was to return AA back to its prominent position in part due to a positive employee/management relationship and this is his chance to demonstrate that or show his card that it was all bunk. I think it more likely then not, AA will ultimately return to its horrid pilot/management relationship and Parker and Kirby will just shrug their shoulders on the way to the bank. I hope I'm wrong, but the vibe isn't good based on what I've heard.
09-25-2014, 08:41 AM
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I believe that is correct. Arbitrators can negotiate various terms of compensation and rules, but they cannot essentially change the basic business model of an operation (i.e., by outsourcing your job).
On another note, in light of the "industry leading TA" for our flight attendants, and the new bonus for DAL employees, our negotiators really need to focus in on those developments. We should be getting DAL pay and at least some form of profit sharing without any scope changes. No other airline is talking about scope changes, so why should we entertain such things?
On another note, in light of the "industry leading TA" for our flight attendants, and the new bonus for DAL employees, our negotiators really need to focus in on those developments. We should be getting DAL pay and at least some form of profit sharing without any scope changes. No other airline is talking about scope changes, so why should we entertain such things?
09-25-2014, 11:59 AM
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that makes me feel 1,000 times better! Does anyone know if the arbitration has to stay within the predetermined MOU overall costs?
09-25-2014, 12:51 PM
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Not necessarily true. They can agree to a contract that exceeds the cost limit provided in the MOU. Of course the company has to agree to the additional costs. However, if it goes to arbitration, then the top limit is set and cannot be exceeded by the arbitrators...
The FA's just gave us an example...
From the APFA release highlighting their new TA:
"Should the T/A fail a ratification vote, the economic terms of our contract (wages, premiums, sick, vacation, medical and 401(k)) will be decided in final and binding arbitration. As the Negotiations Protocol Agreement states, the arbitration panel will be required to establish a contract that is at least equal in value to the current LUS and LAA CBAs – “the floor” – and is market-based in the aggregate (defined by United, Continental, and Delta) – “the ceiling.” To reach the ceiling, the current combined costs of the LAA and LUS contracts would have to be increased by $111 million. The total value of the T/A is $193 million. The difference - $82 million – is the negotiated premium above what could be achieved in arbitration."
And when the FA's were just about to approve the TA, they learned Delta just got a raise. They went to Parker and asked for even more, an additional $13 million, and got it. If Parker is motivated to get this done, it seems he may be willing to pay for it...
http://www.thestreet.com/story/12892...o&cm_ven=YAHOO
Sorry, just realized the question was if it was in Arbitration. In that case I agree, yes it does...
The FA's just gave us an example...
From the APFA release highlighting their new TA:
"Should the T/A fail a ratification vote, the economic terms of our contract (wages, premiums, sick, vacation, medical and 401(k)) will be decided in final and binding arbitration. As the Negotiations Protocol Agreement states, the arbitration panel will be required to establish a contract that is at least equal in value to the current LUS and LAA CBAs – “the floor” – and is market-based in the aggregate (defined by United, Continental, and Delta) – “the ceiling.” To reach the ceiling, the current combined costs of the LAA and LUS contracts would have to be increased by $111 million. The total value of the T/A is $193 million. The difference - $82 million – is the negotiated premium above what could be achieved in arbitration."
And when the FA's were just about to approve the TA, they learned Delta just got a raise. They went to Parker and asked for even more, an additional $13 million, and got it. If Parker is motivated to get this done, it seems he may be willing to pay for it...
http://www.thestreet.com/story/12892...o&cm_ven=YAHOO
Sorry, just realized the question was if it was in Arbitration. In that case I agree, yes it does...
Last edited by algflyr; 09-25-2014 at 12:53 PM. Reason: to add last line at the bottom
09-25-2014, 02:03 PM
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Is anyone else concerned that Parker & Co are giving away money left and right? It's a complete departure from past times. With SWA, JetBlue, Spirit, and Frontier gearing up in various markets of ours, plus managements idea to burn a cool billion in stock buybacks, I'm worried we'll be the next United.
I don't mean to sound so negative, but our competitors are increasing ASM's while increasing loads while we are flat and declining.
I don't mean to sound so negative, but our competitors are increasing ASM's while increasing loads while we are flat and declining.
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