cactiboss

I have the numbers, Hale has the numbers. You have 20% more ACTIVE pilots today than you did then.

R57 relay

No, we don't. If Hale has the numbers and they were so compelling, why no change? Did you and the idiot DB stop to think that his presentation to Hale was basically telling him to go tell Isom that he has been an idiot? Are you guys really that stupid? Really?

Damn. I mean really, damn! You guys need to take alfa's word for it and not believe your own BS.

Anytime you want to show me real numbers, knock yourself out. I have the actual, honest to God bid announcements. PM your email address and I will send them to you. AOL has been lying to you.

cactus320

This is all R57 has got. Ad hominem attacks when he can't articulate a coherent and thoughtful answer.

Why even respond to him? Does he get this mad and flustered when he's PIC of an airliner?

cactiboss

Liar, I'm done countering the unbelievable fantasies you use as arguments. You went from 9 to 23 a330's post merger and added 20 190's and have the same pilot numbers? Who do you think your talking to? You usapians think every other airline pilot is an idiot? I expect you to make another stupid argument, before you do think about staffing numbers for narrowbodies vs. heavies numbnuts.

crzipilot

You want to talk staffing numbers, Just curious how many pilots/airplane did the west have at merger, and how many did the east have? I think I remember the west being staffed much more than the east.

The Drizzle

Why not just take a screenshot of the pages, host the images online and post them here for all to see? Kill a lot of birds with one stone.

R57 relay

Because I'm old and don't know how. If I could attach them I would. I've offered to email them to anyone, nobody took me up on it, just called me a liar. How do I do it?

R57 relay

Really? Have you read cacti's posts. Yeah, he gets to me after a while and I lost my temper and shouldn't have. After being called a liar, scab, scumbag, it happened.

You want the bid announcements? Just PM, I'll email them.

R57 relay

Here's the bid from the PDF. I will try and straighten out the lines. On it there were 2701 active line positions on September 2005. On our last bid there were 2989 for November 2014, of which 216 are on the E190.

******** PLEASE POST ON PILOT BULLETIN BOARD ********
TO: ALL PILOTS
SUBJECT: DOMICILE BID CLASSIFICATION (BID NO: 05-03)
PUBLICATION DATE: MAY 16, 2005
BID CLOSE DATE: 2330 EDT ON MAY 25, 2005
EFFECTIVE MONTH: AUGUST and SEPTEMBER, 2005
PERMANENT BID 05-03 DRIVERS:
 Bid 05-03 was affected by the reduction of 9 B737s by August 21. (Seven B737-300s and Two B737-400s.)
 Reduction of one B757-200 by August 21.
 Reduction of one A319 by August 21.
 Three additional AB reductions by September 11.
 Block lines cut to match September block hours.
SPECIAL NOTES FOR BID 05-03
 A pilot who is more than SIX ( 6 ) months of their Sixtieth (60th) birth date and who is awarded
a new position will be trained to that new position.
PRE-RETIREMENT TRAINING BYPASS
 No pilot will be trained if he is awarded a vacancy and is within SIX ( 6 ) months of his 60th birthday.
 A displaced pilot may be trained to his displacement bid if the pilot is within SIX ( 6 ) months of his 60th birthday.
Permanent Bid Indicators:
 A ‘++’ sign on the permanent bid award next to the pilot last name indicates that pilot is within 24 months
of retirement.
 A ‘N’ left of the relative number in a roster indicates a new pilot or a vacancy bidder.
 A ‘DN’ left of the relative number in a roster indicates a displaced pilot in that roster.
BIDDING INFORMATION
 When bidding, please bid realistically and enter enough bids to insure a position for yourself
in this bid.
 If you use CATCREW, you must enter your pin number after you have completed your bid updates.
 At the conclusion of the 05-03 bid award process, printed results will be in all domiciles and Voice Response
will also be available to obtain your results on approximately May 25 2005.
1 5/16/05 18:03
Bid 05-03
NET GAIN / (LOSS)
ALL EQUIP C RC F RF TOTAL
76I 0 0 0 3 3
76/75D (14) 2 (14) 3 (23)
33 (43) 8 (43) 36 (42)
A-319 (44) 22 (44) 51 (15)
A-330 0 (2) 0 (2) (4)
TOTAL (101) 30 (101) 91 (81)
Summary Domicile Variance
DOMICILE June September
CLT 844 (33) 811
DCA 259 (12) 247
LGA 111 31 142
PHL 1146 (19) 1127
PIT 294 (48) 246
BOS 128 0 128
TOTAL 2,782 (81) 2,701
Bid 05-02A Head Count 2,782
Age 60 Retirements (21)
Early Retirements (29)
Supervisor 0
Medical (18)
Resign 25 Rsgn/Term/Dec/ALPA (25)
2 Military / 3 LOA Leave of Absence (5)
Return to Line 17
From Medical 5
From SPV 1
Cxl Early Ret 2
From Mil 1
From Loa 8
Bid 05-03 Head Count 2,701
2 5/16/05 18:03

So 4 days before the merger we had 2782 active line positions, dropping to 2701 by September. By November 2014 we will have 2989.

So we have around 8% more active line pilots than we did on the day the merger was announced, not 20% like cacti claims, and about the same number are on the low paying E190, which we didn't have then.

R57 relay

Cacti won't acknowledge it. Here ya go. If the east had been staffed like the west we would have had about 300 more pilots. Curiously, about the number recalled by the time Nic came out with his list.

From the Nicolau opinion and award. Available to anyone at cactuspilot.com for those that don't believe me.

"As of the merger date, there were also differences in staffing,
differences that remain. As of January 1, 2007, the aircraft and staffing
figures were:
US Airways America West
Equip. AIC Staffing Equip. AIC Staffing
A330 9 23.11 NA NA NA
B767 10 21.50 NA NA NA
B757 34 10.09 B757 12 14.75
A320 102 10.70 A320 94 12.32
B737 69 9.01 B737 27 12.07
EMB 2 19.50"