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Old 09-23-2014, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
Did you know the APA wanted Nicolau as an arbitrator for us/aa sli? Let that sink in.

Yeah, the APA loves AOL, and they will let you cry on their shoulder. They are marvelous actors, but they really do love AOL. Really.

I'm afraid you guys might not recognize a Trojan horse if it was delivered with the story printed out in a booklet and tied on the saddle.
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Yeah, the APA loves AOL, and they will let you cry on their shoulder. They are marvelous actors, but they really do love AOL. Really.

I'm afraid you guys might not recognize a Trojan horse if it was delivered with the story printed out in a booklet and tied on the saddle.
Just pointing out the APA doesn't think Nicolau is a senile old man, so much so that they wanted him to arbitrate the sli. They must not think he got it "wrong" huh?
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So you are right, seniority lives in the contract.
We never got to a contract.
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Perhaps instead of simply screaming down from the middle of the mob, maybe we should just let the Gladiators go about their business. The people that actually have any influence on the process don't waste time throwing barbs on web boards.
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Old 09-23-2014, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
Did you know the APA wanted Nicolau as an arbitrator for us/aa sli? Let that sink in.
Do you think this revelation is supposed to rock me to my core and buckle my knees ?

Seriously Cacti, you seem like someone more clued in then most. Are you really that naïve about the arbitrator selection process ?

First of all, the process requires selection of "common names" exchanged between the parties and then if less then three common names, an alternating strike process occurs to fill the roster. Do you really think USAPA would proffer Nicolau in the first place or in the case of him existing as per APA inclusion, not striking him immediately ?

IMO, Nicolau wasn't included because the APA supports the Nic, but because they knew he would be excluded with certainty and it supports the perception of them not being biased AGAINST the Nic and thus neutral. His inclusion is also one way to improve the odds of selection of someone else on their list by including a known red herring to USAPA. For that matter, Nicolau's inclusion was also likely strategic in assisting a defense in any future action by Leo claiming APA was biased against them in the McCaskill-Bond process which requires APA to represent the West (equally along with the East) and to ensure a fair and equitable PROCESS for all sides. I'm sure his inclusion had multiple advantages to APA based on the certainty he'd never see the light of day in either arbitral process.

I think you desperately want to believe APA is pro-Nic and are seeing some things the way you want to see them.
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
Just pointing out the APA doesn't think Nicolau is a senile old man, so much so that they wanted him to arbitrate the sli. They must not think he got it "wrong" huh?
Yeah. I'm sure that is what APA thinks. You do realize that their "vote of confidence" in Nicolau was entirely without any sincerity since they knew USAPA would strike him... But their feigned confidence in Nicolau was not entirely wasted as they of corse knew that it would give the AOL disciples a warm fuzzy.

Judge Silver threw you guys a few meaningless consolation prizes too. But somehow nothing changes except the sun comes up and DOH gets another day of value each morning.
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Do you think this revelation is supposed to rock me to my core and buckle my knees ?

Seriously Cacti, you seem like someone more clued in then most. Are you really that naïve about the arbitrator selection process ?

First of all, the process requires selection of "common names" exchanged between the parties and then if less then three common names, an alternating strike process occurs to fill the roster. Do you really think USAPA would proffer Nicolau in the first place or in the case of him existing as per APA inclusion, not striking him immediately ?

IMO, Nicolau wasn't included because the APA supports the Nic, but because they knew he would be excluded with certainty and it supports the perception of them not being biased AGAINST the Nic and thus neutral. His inclusion is also one way to improve the odds of selection of someone else on their list by including a known red herring to USAPA. For that matter, Nicolau's inclusion was also likely strategic in assisting a defense in any future action by Leo claiming APA was biased against them in the McCaskill-Bond process which requires APA to represent the West (equally along with the East) and to ensure a fair and equitable PROCESS for all sides. I'm sure his inclusion had multiple advantages to APA based on the certainty he'd never see the light of day in either arbitral process.

I think you desperately want to believe APA is pro-Nic and are seeing some things the way you want to see them.
Wow, you ever been involved in arbitration? You never ever throw a name in there you don't want, ever! I like your conspiracy theory though, they pick Nicolau just to fool everybody, got it.
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Originally Posted by flyinawa
Perhaps instead of simply screaming down from the middle of the mob, maybe we should just let the Gladiators go about their business. The people that actually have any influence on the process don't waste time throwing barbs on web boards.
What do you think these webboards are for?
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
Wow, you ever been involved in arbitration? You never ever throw a name in there you don't want, ever! I like your conspiracy theory though, they pick Nicolau just to fool everybody, got it.
That's fine. If you're less stressed thinking APA put Nic in there as a wet sloppy kiss to the West, I say go for it. You've got to find a happy place to be in. Interesting article by Reed in Forbes about the Nic dispute. It seems clear the outside perception is that that SLI was serious flawed. Leo puts out a statement that APA is supporting their inclusion, then back-peddles a bit terming it "assumed". When APA is asked for comment on the issue, they said "no comment". It's just an observation, but that doesn't sound that wet and sloppy to me.
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
That's fine. If you're less stressed thinking APA put Nic in there as a wet sloppy kiss to the West, I say go for it. You've got to find a happy place to be in. Interesting article by Reed in Forbes about the Nic dispute. It seems clear the outside perception is that that SLI was serious flawed. Leo puts out a statement that APA is supporting their inclusion, then back-peddles a bit terming it "assumed". When APA is asked for comment on the issue, they said "no comment". It's just an observation, but that doesn't sound that wet and sloppy to me.
Forbes? Lol, you better research who Ted reed is before quoting one of his hack pieces.
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