crzipilot

Bottom line, no JCBA. Process was never completed to activate and use the NIC. It's sitting in the corner, as an "ALPA" process, which never got completed. As soon as you vote ALPA back in maybe you can get that process completed, but unfortunately this MOU etc has made all prev agreements null.....

Frisco727

You cannot compare AA's situation to US Airways in 2005. You lied about the US Airways financial condition and I caught you with the SEC filings. Now you want to suggest that American was doomed/same situation as US Airways. If you are looking for sympathy on the Nic, you won't get it from me. Arbitration is a process that is not going to make everyone happy. The pattern I see is a blame game, whether it is ALPA, the arbitrator of the America West pilots. It is a relevant debate because it speaks volumes of the character flaw I see which was noted by the APA. It's called false assertions made by USAPA to the APA which were intended to mislead. The same thing you are doing here which speaks volumes of your character or lack thereof.

For example:

"The APA Seniority Integration Committee made our proposal public for simple reasons. The proposal reflects every commitment we have made to USAPA with regard to the seniority integration process and contradicts false assertions being made by USAPA in an effort to delay a single-carrier finding by the NMB. It is time to agree to a protocol before this affects the ability of APA and USAPA to move forward in areas of mutual interest, such as the JCBA."

https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/...The-Facts.aspx

That's what you get when you try to mislead and deceive the party sitting across the table.

Spoiler

Wow just wow re the link
USAPA is naked

flybywire44

Yes, but at this point you may not be educating anyone as you've all been schooling each other for years!


I'm assuming you don't disagree that this will be resolved in short order, nor that our discussion outside of observing conflicting versions of history will effect the SLI arbitration.


USAPA and APA were aggressively sparing for competing interests, but we are beyond that now. A real spirit of cooperation has emerged. USAPA has even asked all of its pilots to immediately apply to APA for membership in anticipation of what could soon be a fast NMB determination!

How exciting it is that JCBA and SLI are progressing so quickly!

I think we'll all be surprised to see how US Airways pilots will bring meaningful impact to APA.

I see many on this forum use the word "scab" loosely, but APA purportedly will not accept the application or dues from any US Airways pilot who ever crossed "the line." This is quite impressive.


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Frisco727

I read a post earlier where a "third lister" talked about being treated badly because he was an East pilot. That's flat out wrong as well as using the word "Scab" to describe a whole group.

flybywire44

I agree that the s-word is not a word that should be treated lightly. We don't even need to use it, APA is going to apply the definition properly. You're either an APA member or a potential Sssssuspect.

People running low on thought or vocabulary may turn to emotional words too easily.

Notice I didn't ask who called which group a scab? Let's move forward!!!

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Frisco727

I've read your posts, I noticed.

Agreed

flybywire44

;-)


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R57 relay

You have a reading comprehension problem, don't you?

I figured that you would say that I was comparing AA and US's financial condition. I didn't. What I said is that your company too was in in Chp 11 at the time of the merger, and your managments plan was scoffed at. With that,WHAT IF an arbitrator used his crystal ball to say that your future wasn't as bright as our, so he gave us a windfall. How would you like that? Try reading and answering the question.

I never lied about anything. I've backed up what I had to say. You?

You made some predictions about how the APA was going to handle us. How has that worked out? Why didn't just wait until SCS and do what the want instead signing the PA?

You guys haven't been throught a SLI aritration before, have you? You may have some more surprises ahead.

R57 relay

Thank you for that, sincerely.