texaspilot76

No change of tune here. I never said I didn't support Nic. I think the Nic was fair. Straight relative seniority.

ShyGuy

Thanks for clarifying. My experience with binding arbitration was that the arbitrator heavily favored the airline that brought in the bigger airplane. The bigger plane, the greater the pay, and hence the greater the career expectation. As such the award favored the airline that brought those airplanes more so than it did mine.

Similarly, you see that US Airways has only a handful of widebodies. I don't recall the exact amount but somewhere along the lines of 10 767s and 22 A330s so maybe 30-40 widebodies total. AA on the other hand has tons of 767s and 777s around 120-130 total. The top of any combined list has not only the senior side but the international widebody side which is most coveted in terms of seniority and pay. In the Delta/NWA case, the arbitrator protected the 777s which were only at Delta and the 747s which were only at Northwest. US doesn't have any 777s and a handful of 767s. Realistically speaking, you will not see a straight-up-relative integration simply because it would introduce many US pilots who had no career expectation beyond the 30-40 widebodies today, into a widebody fleet of 120-130 that AA has today. Would you think that is fair? By straight relative only, it would introduce many US domestic narrowbody pilots into a the widebody fleet at AA which was not a realistic expectation because US only had 30-40 widebodies to begin with.


Historically speaking, the major airline brining in the bigger widebody fleet will tend to do better than the one that is not. Because the 777 does not exist at US, most likely you will find the top of the list will be heavily all AA. The widebody fleet of the 767 can good a good category ratio mix because it exists at both airlines. The majority of US guys category falls in the domestic narrowbody arena. Recent arbitrators have all used category/class methods and not just straight up relative.

texaspilot76

Do like Nicolau did. Ratio the widebody flying based on each sides fleet, then relative for everyone else, with furloughs on bottom.

Jetdriver7

Correct. Anyone in the 824 do not have numbers. Seniority wise they are treated like a new hire. Have to set foot on property. No worries about them. We are above all of them.

morecowbell

You've got to be kidding me. I'm not sure who you are or what gear your pulling, but that was why the Arbitrator came up with the NIC like he did. USAIR was dead....days from DEAD. NO CAREER EXPECTATIONS. SCUMBAGS. Yet all those east that were furloughed eventually got to come back while the "west stagnated and actually furloughed west pilots. So I hope to god your not a 3rd lister....

So which is it..............do you want to take into account "career expectations" or do you want to put the furloughed guys at the back. I'm only guessing, but you sound like a USAIRWAYS 3rd lister. After so much stagnation and seperate ops your starting to think your actually entitled to something more then what a "west" guy has. Please tell me I'm wrong.

texaspilot76

I have no beef with East or West pilots. I feel the US legal list is the Nic with 3rd listers below. That list needs to be taken to the table with AA and form one combined list based on relative seniority of all active pilots. This would affect AA furloughs only, US has no furloughs. And, like I said before, those AA furloughs had a chance to come back but didn't. Thats their choice, but there are consequences to that decision.

And for career expectation, US pilots were moving up quickly and the company was making record profits. AA was bankrupt and taking concessions. We helped save the future of AA. Now we can all enjoy Delta type pay.

eaglefly

Yes, no "worries" about them. The question is, who are you worried about then and who is "we" ?

ForeverFO

Oh please... we could have exited bankruptcy with ease without the merger taking place. However, I continue to believe the merger is a good thing, despite the bickering.

The Drizzle

Dude, that dog ain't gonna hunt.

texaspilot76

I agree. I think we are all excited. I'm just worried about our pilots who are holding blocks and close to an upgrade getting stagnated for years with an unfair seniority integration.