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Old 01-23-2014, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by flybywire44
eaglefly,

Some may characterize you as being out of place for talking down to so many East pilots. You're absolutely entitled to your opinions, but why do you claim to be an American pilot and go out of your way to muddy the waters between our groups?

It is understandable if you are insecure about your outcome of this merger, but stop inciting negative discussion.
But East pilots talk down to so many others, myself included for simply disagreeing with your way of thinking and USAPA's past and present conduct. I think one of your clan even insinuates one of you has slept with my wife, but I guess that's O.K., at least on USAPA. It's interesting that some Usapians demand others stop questioning the ONSLUGHT of Usapian thought on this forum that results in its die-hard supporters and those who validate what they do to make thousands of posts, yet make no equal demand of themselves. I'm sorry, but if you'd like to improve relations here on the forum between the players in this little marriage, you collectively have to practice what you preach.

I'm not insecure about the outcome of this merger as I am one of the few not pontificating here on exactly how the SLI should occur. I hear virtually no West pilots doing that. That leaves only one other segment of this trio making 98% of the declarations on what should happen with the SLI. Coincidence ? I think not. If you really would like to see less negative discussion here on this subject, stop discussing the Nic and call the clan in Charlotte and ask them not to reneg on the provisions of the MOU like they reneged on the Nic. It is USAPA that is "muddying the waters" with their pathological obstructionism and intransigence, not one AA pilot. Besides, as some of your compadres periodically remind me, I'm a toothless loser of an RJ pilot who isn't qualified to be where I am and received my present job as a gift, so why concern yourself with my opinion anyway ?
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Old 01-23-2014, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
But East pilots talk down to so many others, myself included for simply disagreeing with your way of thinking and USAPA's past and present conduct. I think one of your clan even insinuates one of you has slept with my wife, but I guess that's O.K., at least on USAPA. It's interesting that some Usapians demand others stop questioning the ONSLUGHT of Usapian thought on this forum that results in its die-hard supporters and those who validate what they do to make thousands of posts, yet make no equal demand of themselves. I'm sorry, but if you'd like to improve relations here on the forum between the players in this little marriage, you collectively have to practice what you preach.

I'm not insecure about the outcome of this merger as I am one of the few not pontificating here on exactly how the SLI should occur. I hear virtually no West pilots doing that. That leaves only one other segment of this trio making 98% of the declarations on what should happen with the SLI. Coincidence ? I think not. If you really would like to see less negative discussion here on this subject, stop discussing the Nic and call the clan in Charlotte and ask them not to reneg on the provisions of the MOU like they reneged on the Nic. It is USAPA that is "muddying the waters" with their pathological obstructionism and intransigence, not one AA pilot. Besides, as some of your compadres periodically remind me, I'm a toothless loser of an RJ pilot who isn't qualified to be where I am and received my present job as a gift, so why concern yourself with my opinion anyway ?
Brevity is a virtue... "Just one document...?"
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Old 01-23-2014, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
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Originally Posted by flybywire44


eaglefly,

Some may characterize you as being out of place for talking down to so many East pilots. You're absolutely entitled to your opinions, but why do you claim to be an American pilot and go out of your way to muddy the waters between our groups?

It is understandable if you are insecure about your outcome of this merger, but stop inciting negative discussion.




But East pilots talk down to so many others, myself included for simply disagreeing with your way of thinking and USAPA's past and present conduct. I think one of your clan even insinuates one of you has slept with my wife, but I guess that's O.K., at least on USAPA. It's interesting that some Usapians demand others stop questioning the ONSLUGHT of Usapian thought on this forum that results in its die-hard supporters and those who validate what they do to make thousands of posts, yet make no equal demand of themselves. I'm sorry, but if you'd like to improve relations here on the forum between the players in this little marriage, you collectively have to practice what you preach.

I'm not insecure about the outcome of this merger as I am one of the few not pontificating here on exactly how the SLI should occur. I hear virtually no West pilots doing that. That leaves only one other segment of this trio making 98% of the declarations on what should happen with the SLI. Coincidence ? I think not. If you really would like to see less negative discussion here on this subject, stop discussing the Nic and call the clan in Charlotte and ask them not to reneg on the provisions of the MOU like they reneged on the Nic. It is USAPA that is "muddying the waters" with their pathological obstructionism and intransigence, not one AA pilot. Besides, as some of your compadres periodically remind me, I'm a toothless loser of an RJ pilot who isn't qualified to be where I am and received my present job as a gift, so why concern yourself with my opinion anyway ?
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I wouldn't misinterpret what a few say to represent the whole.

Regarding wives, I think most would disapprove of posts like the one you just left. It seems baseless and I would hope not worth your time.
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Old 01-23-2014, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle
Brevity is a virtue... "Just one document...?"
Another New Years resolution of mine was never to comply with the request from a maroon tortoise.
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Old 01-23-2014, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
A "Usapian" is one from the planet USAPA and is apparently located in a galaxy, far, far away. Not all East pilots qualify. Its inhabitants have a baffling form of logic and believe there is no right or wrong since there is no other POV other than that from USAPA. At least that's all I've figured out so far.

AAholian ?

Hmmm.......never heard that one, but...............I LIKE IT !

It's got some panache.
Sorry fly, that's just goofy.
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Old 01-23-2014, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Ignorance ? But.........



......you begin your timeline AFTER the agreement of binding arbitration and your rejection of the results. It would seem you're selectively glossing over my ignorance to quietly sweep certain facts under the Usapian rug and........




.....basically admit this aspect of my ignorance. I guess if you're not selectively sweeping things under the rug, you're admitting what you can't sweep and then.....



....muddy up what I was saying elsewhere. It was essentially the same group of people just changing their nametags from ALPA to USAPA.




The Eagle FT IS a concern with some East pilots - 3rd listers. They've piped up repeatedly about what they believe should occur with these AA pilots. I'm certainly not going to learn the facts from you, that's for sure. I consider you one of the most biased sources on this subject here on the forum. Perhaps that's why I've never asked you for your "facts" ?
Learn the timeline of events. It would really help you.

So, you won't learn from me and consider me biased on the FT? So, when I told our pilots that the AA list was their concern and not ours, was I biased and thus worthy of being ignored? Or that if you had a seniority number that I assumed you earned that I was biased? Hmmm, glad we cleared that up.
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Old 01-23-2014, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
Sorry fly, that's just goofy.
Which part........the perception I have of USAPA and their ardent supporters or the fact I didn't come unglued at being referred to as an "AAholian" ?

Again lay, I guess we're just from two different planets.
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Old 01-23-2014, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
Learn the timeline of events. It would really help you.

So, you won't learn from me and consider me biased on the FT? So, when I told our pilots that the AA list was their concern and not ours, was I biased and thus worthy of being ignored? Or that if you had a seniority number that I assumed you earned that I was biased? Hmmm, glad we cleared that up.
Learn to read and understand posts from Earth. It would really help you. I considered you biased on the situation with the West, not the FT. I really don't concern myself with your position on the FT. If it becomes an issue, it won't be impacted by any belief on this forum, just like the Nic.
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Old 01-23-2014, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Learn to read and understand posts from Earth. It would really help you. I considered you biased on the situation with the West, not the FT. I really don't concern myself with your position on the FT. If it becomes an issue, it won't be impacted by any belief on this forum, just like the Nic.
In one paragraph you are speaking about the FT and then say you won't listen to me for the facts. But I'm supposed to understand that in your world you weren't talking about my facts as they apply to the FT.

Got it. What planet are you from? You are worried with being right, not what is right.

I've had one experience with a FT. We took pilots from our two of our wholly-owned to MDA. I've flown with quite a few of them and found most to be great. A few though, well let's just say it's good they didn't have to interview. I can't see how they ever passed the one at the regionals. Ring a bell?
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Old 01-23-2014, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
In one paragraph you are speaking about the FT and then say you won't listen to me for the facts. But I'm supposed to understand that in your world you weren't talking about my facts as they apply to the FT.

Got it. What planet are you from? You are worried with being right, not what is right.
It was you who compared the Nic to AA flow-thru issues and mixed the two together, not I. How could I consider you biased about the FT when you know nothing about it ?

Originally Posted by R57relay
I've had one experience with a FT. We took pilots from our two of our wholly-owned to MDA. I've flown with quite a few of them and found most to be great. A few though, well let's just say it's good they didn't have to interview. I can't see how they ever passed the one at the regionals. Ring a bell?
Ah yes, the old "Loser RJ pilot" attack has now been expanded to simply a blanket "loser pilot" assault. Like I said, I've heard this attack before from Usapians and they seem to think it becomes more impressive over time. It doesn't. It DOES serve a useful purpose though. It indicates bias by someone who classifies others based on where they came from as opposed to who they are and exposes this person to others so they can make their own better assessment of their character and thus their credibility. You imply I'm the latter by the "ring a bell ?" crack, but you don't know me personally, don't know how I interview, how I fly or how I train. Likewise, I could fly with a few East pilots and prejudge them assuming they are all like you and wonder the same things about all East pilots (as opposed to Usapians), but that would just reflect the same misguided assumption and error in judgement you exhibit.

I'm hopeful and somewhat confident most East pilots AREN'T like you. For the sake of the future of AA, I sincerely hope I'm correct.
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