Wiskey Driver

That should have been the east's move then. They sat down and demanded DOH with no other alternative plays. Its the same as sitting at the poker table and going all in on a pair of two's then get beat and demand you pay them or else. Like I said Relay it sends the wrong message.

WD at AWA

R57 relay

I sent you a PM to answer this as to not pollute this thread with the same old BS.

I hope you are right that this is about over no matter the outcome with AA, but I doubt it considering the grievance backlog we have. Parker doesn't care about anything but the bottom line and status quo helps his.

I'd like to know the logic in the company and AA not supporting USAPA's friend of court filing.

cactiboss

Did usapa agree to go to "final and binding arbitration" to settle the grievance? Did usapa just hire a law firm to attempt and get out of "final and binding"? As to my question of "what it means" I think it is very clear. The east pilots cannot be trusted to live up to any agreements EVER. The notion the west give up "SOMETHING" is ridiculous on it's face since the east cannot and will not live up to any agreements, it's in the DNA of the east pilots.

R57 relay

Yeah, it's in our DNA. Piedmont, Empire, PSA, Allegheny, US Air, US Airways, Trump, Eastern-they all managed to pick only the pilots with that DNA. Do you actually believe your own BS?

The Drizzle

They don't believe they were born with it, but from those I fly with it seems their DNA was mutated by abuses, real or perceived.

justjack

Surely you jest! Parker would not have sat down with the Queen of England represented by Jesus Christ if it meant getting out of LOA 93. And the RLA made his strategy work indefinitely.

R57 relay

I've seen your posts and it's obvious that you think you are victim too. How's that job hunt coming today? Pulling for ya!

justjack

Although you might mean this as sarcasm there is some truth to this. I started at Piedmont on the "B" scale- deregulation started while I was still in the military. Piedmont merged with USAir and the pilots with Piedmont lost seniority, no relative seniority- but we moved on. In bankruptcy the RETIREMENT Systems of Alabama put my retirement into the PBGC. This was followed by two concessionary bankruptcy contracts. Lest we forget, the government conditions on the loan that they made to USAirways after 9/11 involved terms and conditions that drove many of the pilot concessions. I have flown with some ex-Eastern pilots, so I know it could be worse. Still, after all of this, the Nic was so egregious and we lost the very seniority that we had been protecting. All the while, I have been on the wrong side of ALPA's seniority policy du jour and on the wrong side of government regulation- deregulation du-jour. Real or perceived.

Wiskey Driver

Keep in mind that we also had a JNC working at the very same time the merger committees were working. The company came out with what has been coined the kirby proposal which was geared toward the east and had nothing for us out west. We were ready to counter when the award was issued then the east mec packed up all their marbles and refused to play anymore.

This tactic of theirs of going all in then demanding more when they lose is beyond belief. We can not and will not compromise after the fact my friend and willing to take it all the way to the ends of the earth on principle.

WD at AWA

R57 relay

Under the RLA you have no choice, just like we had no choice under ALPA merger policy.

Do you have an idea how many grievances we had before the merger and how many have added up since? I know you hate USAPA and anything east, but don't you think the system is broken?