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Old 01-04-2018, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
“Flows” and collegiate pipeline programs are the way of the future. All of the legacies are busy behind the scenes setting up the “cradle to grave” aviation career.
All the while people who waited years continue to wait as flowthru's continue to bypass them..
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Old 01-04-2018, 08:08 AM
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Average f/t is in their mid 40’s so it’s not like they didn’t to wait.
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Old 01-04-2018, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by mukalel
All the while people who waited years continue to wait as flowthru's continue to bypass them..
Not an argument worth having. You/we have no control over who they hire.

Similar to military vs civilian there’s no right/wrong answer.

The facts are if you are an off the street hire it’s hard to get hired and if you are on off the street civilian hire you ain’t getting hired period.
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Old 01-04-2018, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Saabs
Not an argument worth having. You/we have no control over who they hire.

Similar to military vs civilian there’s no right/wrong answer.

The facts are if you are an off the street hire it’s hard to get hired and if you are on off the street civilian hire you ain’t getting hired period.
Not true.

I think the OTS civilian hiring should really kick in soon. They can’t afford to lose anywhere near enough flows to cover anticipated demand this year.
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jcountry
Not true.

I think the OTS civilian hiring should really kick in soon. They can’t afford to lose anywhere near enough flows to cover anticipated demand this year.
I think many of you are way out of touch with what is going on at the WOs. There is no shortage of pilots willing to fly for regionals with competitive pay and career progression. The career progression part is in place and getting better for WO pilots. The pay is next. Pretty soon it will be a substantial paycut for someone on WO CA pay to flow to AA for the first year. The WOs will eventually make up almost 40 slots of every newhire class at AA. That leaves about 20%-25% for off the street.
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
I think many of you are way out of touch with what is going on at the WOs. There is no shortage of pilots willing to fly for regionals with competitive pay and career progression. The career progression part is in place and getting better for WO pilots. The pay is next. Pretty soon it will be a substantial paycut for someone on WO CA pay to flow to AA for the first year. The WOs will eventually make up almost 40 slots of every newhire class at AA. That leaves about 20%-25% for off the street.
Hasn’t 1st year always been a substantial pay cut for any regional captain?
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:35 PM
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Is Off The Street (civ) a 135/91 pilot with a ton of hours? Or does it include 121 but from a different (non WO) regional?
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Originally Posted by Castle Bravo
Is Off The Street (civ) a 135/91 pilot with a ton of hours? Or does it include 121 but from a different (non WO) regional?
Can be.

(Don’t let all the naysayers discourage you.)
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:14 PM
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Civilian OTS is probably 10% +/- of the total hiring.

One of the Big 3 hired 92% of their new hires from 121 operators. That was 2%, or more, of their hiring from each company. 1% and less was 26% companies that supplied 8% of their new hires. They didn’t mention how many of that 8% were, or weren’t, 121/135/91.

I think another Big 3 airline at one point said 86% of their new hires had 121 time.

So if you’re civilian with no 121 time you might be in s very small pool.
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
Civilian OTS is probably 10% +/- of the total hiring.

One of the Big 3 hired 92% of their new hires from 121 operators. That was 2%, or more, of their hiring from each company. 1% and less was 26% companies that supplied 8% of their new hires. They didn’t mention how many of that 8% were, or weren’t, 121/135/91.

I think another Big 3 airline at one point said 86% of their new hires had 121 time.

So if you’re civilian with no 121 time you might be in s very small pool.
Too many numbers, next time use pictures...
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