American interviews and class dates
01-11-2017, 05:05 AM
#5121
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Position: 6th place
Posts: 1,826
I've ridden OAL jumpseats for many years. I've flown at AA for 32 years. AA has issues like every other airline, but honestly, what I've seen never made me wish to work anywhere else. It's a great job that gets better as you garner seniority.
We're supposed to hire between 750 and 900 this year with more off-the-street than recent years. Lots of retirements in the next few years, too.
We're supposed to hire between 750 and 900 this year with more off-the-street than recent years. Lots of retirements in the next few years, too.
Hi, I'm earth, have we met?
Of course your view from the top looks good. You upgraded relatively quickly, have been a 777/787 captain the last 15 years and sold out our profit sharing so you could keep your precious pension. Good for you. But don't come on here telling the junior guys its all roses, because its far from it. AA is the worst airline to fly on and the worst to work for no question.
I wouldn't be surprised if the new hires who have >30 years left will even get to finish our careers at AA. We are getting crushed by ULCCs domestically and now with Wow/Norwegian its coming internationally. Our premium product is a joke and anyone with a choice picks any foreign airline over us. We are getting hit from the top and bottom.
Our only saving grace is cabotage and I highly doubt that will survive much longer. Once that is gone we are done. Our mismanaged, bloated, bureaucratic management won't know what hit them. So spare me the "you'll be senior one day son" bs because that probably won't ever happen.
01-11-2017, 05:38 AM
#5122
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Posts: 375
"People like you are what's wrong with this place. I'm guessing you voted yes and if you're still here during the next vote, you'll be voting yes again after the first offer. Someone who is a 787 CA with 32 years of seniority has no business commenting. No offense but your world is totally different than the majority here"
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Way to go, Sparky.
You hit that one outta the park.....You could not be more WRONG.
The last time I voted yes was 1991, when some bid statuses got a 45% raise. I've been doing union work for 31 years. You have the stones to tell me I have "no business commenting"? If anybody here needs a big mug of ****, it's the guy in your bathroom mirror.
"No offense"...really? That's as passive/aggressive as it gets.
Every generation of pilots has to fight for good contracts and wages. You are no different.
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Way to go, Sparky.
You hit that one outta the park.....You could not be more WRONG.
The last time I voted yes was 1991, when some bid statuses got a 45% raise. I've been doing union work for 31 years. You have the stones to tell me I have "no business commenting"? If anybody here needs a big mug of ****, it's the guy in your bathroom mirror.
"No offense"...really? That's as passive/aggressive as it gets.
Every generation of pilots has to fight for good contracts and wages. You are no different.
01-11-2017, 06:02 AM
#5123
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 400
Hi, I'm earth, have we met?
Of course your view from the top looks good. You upgraded relatively quickly, have been a 777/787 captain the last 15 years and sold out our profit sharing so you could keep your precious pension. Good for you. But don't come on here telling the junior guys its all roses, because its far from it. AA is the worst airline to fly on and the worst to work for no question.
I wouldn't be surprised if the new hires who have >30 years left will even get to finish our careers at AA. We are getting crushed by ULCCs domestically and now with Wow/Norwegian its coming internationally. Our premium product is a joke and anyone with a choice picks any foreign airline over us. We are getting hit from the top and bottom.
Our only saving grace is cabotage and I highly doubt that will survive much longer. Once that is gone we are done. Our mismanaged, bloated, bureaucratic management won't know what hit them. So spare me the "you'll be senior one day son" bs because that probably won't ever happen.
Of course your view from the top looks good. You upgraded relatively quickly, have been a 777/787 captain the last 15 years and sold out our profit sharing so you could keep your precious pension. Good for you. But don't come on here telling the junior guys its all roses, because its far from it. AA is the worst airline to fly on and the worst to work for no question.
I wouldn't be surprised if the new hires who have >30 years left will even get to finish our careers at AA. We are getting crushed by ULCCs domestically and now with Wow/Norwegian its coming internationally. Our premium product is a joke and anyone with a choice picks any foreign airline over us. We are getting hit from the top and bottom.
Our only saving grace is cabotage and I highly doubt that will survive much longer. Once that is gone we are done. Our mismanaged, bloated, bureaucratic management won't know what hit them. So spare me the "you'll be senior one day son" bs because that probably won't ever happen.
01-11-2017, 06:03 AM
#5124
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Joined APC: May 2014
Posts: 1,681
I can understand why a lot of pilots close to retirement voted "yes." (They had it real bad over the past decade or so. A large % of our group will never get another vote, so they went for the money and cashed out.
What I can't understand is why we still haven't fixed our union. I fear we will wind up with crap contracts from now until the day we actually have decent representation.
Our union is a flaming dumpster falling off a cliff. I have never seen or heard of a more horrible organization to "represent" anyone.
What I can't understand is why we still haven't fixed our union. I fear we will wind up with crap contracts from now until the day we actually have decent representation.
Our union is a flaming dumpster falling off a cliff. I have never seen or heard of a more horrible organization to "represent" anyone.
01-11-2017, 06:44 AM
#5125
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Window seat
Posts: 5,482
Hi, I'm earth, have we met?
Of course your view from the top looks good. You upgraded relatively quickly, have been a 777/787 captain the last 15 years and sold out our profit sharing so you could keep your precious pension. Good for you. But don't come on here telling the junior guys its all roses, because its far from it. AA is the worst airline to fly on and the worst to work for no question.
Of course your view from the top looks good. You upgraded relatively quickly, have been a 777/787 captain the last 15 years and sold out our profit sharing so you could keep your precious pension. Good for you. But don't come on here telling the junior guys its all roses, because its far from it. AA is the worst airline to fly on and the worst to work for no question.
01-11-2017, 06:46 AM
#5126
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Window seat
Posts: 5,482
I can understand why a lot of pilots close to retirement voted "yes." (They had it real bad over the past decade or so. A large % of our group will never get another vote, so they went for the money and cashed out.
What I can't understand is why we still haven't fixed our union. I fear we will wind up with crap contracts from now until the day we actually have decent representation.
Our union is a flaming dumpster falling off a cliff. I have never seen or heard of a more horrible organization to "represent" anyone.
What I can't understand is why we still haven't fixed our union. I fear we will wind up with crap contracts from now until the day we actually have decent representation.
Our union is a flaming dumpster falling off a cliff. I have never seen or heard of a more horrible organization to "represent" anyone.
New hires and third listers out number 777/787 CA's by about 4:1. Add in furloughed TWA guys and the ration becomes 5:1 or 6:1.
New hires and third listers outnumber the number of votes in most elections.
You have the ability to make HUGE changes in the union IF you guys actually get organized.
You can't blame it on others.
01-11-2017, 07:01 AM
#5127
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Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: DFW A320 FO
Posts: 586
Good grief, why don't you guys take it somewhere else? THIS thread is about folks trying to get the job.
Sure, we have plenty of issues and room for improvement, but right now it's the 6th best airline job in America (maybe higher depending on where one wants to live/fly) - that's not too shabby and this thread is supposed to help some get here and take a step up in their career.
Sure, we have plenty of issues and room for improvement, but right now it's the 6th best airline job in America (maybe higher depending on where one wants to live/fly) - that's not too shabby and this thread is supposed to help some get here and take a step up in their career.
01-11-2017, 07:07 AM
#5128
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Position: 6th place
Posts: 1,826
Like I said before, I highly doubt I will ever get to be a group 4 captain. AA will shrink to almost nothing.
01-11-2017, 07:45 AM
#5130
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Position: 787 Capt.
Posts: 125
Basss and Mainline,
Thanks for telling me what I can say and where I can say it. I would be so lost without your Millenial advice.
My generation of pilots had thousands of new hires, took over our union and fought for years to improve things. Please tell me that's what you are actually involved in, not just whining in a chat-room? You can always "vote with your feet"...go to DL if you can.
Bottom line, AA is one of the better flying jobs in the world. We have applicants from everywhere trying to get here. There's your proof. Can it get better? Yes. I'll do what I can to help you make that happen.
Thanks for telling me what I can say and where I can say it. I would be so lost without your Millenial advice.
My generation of pilots had thousands of new hires, took over our union and fought for years to improve things. Please tell me that's what you are actually involved in, not just whining in a chat-room? You can always "vote with your feet"...go to DL if you can.
Bottom line, AA is one of the better flying jobs in the world. We have applicants from everywhere trying to get here. There's your proof. Can it get better? Yes. I'll do what I can to help you make that happen.
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