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Old 06-13-2016, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 3downandchecked
What weight does an internal recommendation have for an off the street mil type?
Probably not much. Improve your resume. Make sure your resume reflects the information they want. I, and others, often recommend getting a 121 job if you can. You'll learn the civilian/121 side of the business.
Apply to everyone, even your 8th choice. You don't pick them, they pick you. #1-7 might not like you so 'love the one you're with.'
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Old 06-13-2016, 02:24 PM
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AE f/t's have their position on the AA seniority list.
Your opinion as to where they should be is worthless.
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Old 06-13-2016, 02:31 PM
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That's really is it. I just want to ask when he was in indoc for both AE and then AA.... Seems simple enough to then be able to understand his point of view. Without that it's hard to even give him any credit on topics especially this SLI stuff...
I think it's chicken sh*t that he won't mention his AE/AA hire into. It would help put his pontificating in perspective or the trash bin.

But his DOH has NOTHING to do with his SLI place. Nada. Zip. He's number X and the arbitrators will evaluate everyone and X might do better, or worse, with the arbs trying to balance the significant variables that affect 13,000 pilots.
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Old 06-13-2016, 02:58 PM
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I think it's chicken sh*t that he won't mention his AE/AA hire into. It would help put his pontificating in perspective or the trash bin.
I wouldn't be adverse to it if the interest was genuine and relevant from people who were genuine, but it's not. In fact, in the past I HAVE revealed when I started at AA. But to do so now, under these circumstances at the demand of these characters would then be truly stupid for handing them information they would use to double down on personal attack. Additionally, I've never been one to knuckle under to bullying. Again, even if I did, who is to say it would be accurate since just as they do, you think so little of me ?

It's a forum and who can say what's true and not from any of our claims here ?

I was discussing things that had little or nothing to do with my specifics, yet I'm vilified and attacked for it and you wonder why I don't cry uncle to cyberthuggery or cooperate with those who embrace it ?

I have no problem being a "chicken sh*t" in your eyes Slice as that's not any new revelation to me. You've made that clear in other terms before, so what else is new ? I can live with that.
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Old 06-13-2016, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
AE f/t's have their position on the AA seniority list.
Your opinion as to where they should be is worthless.
The problem is, there is a lot of confusion and rumors on the LUS side about flows. I've flown with numerous guys that think that flows not even on property yet (still at Envoy) are going to be put ahead of guys hired in 99 at LUS. As far as I can tell, that's not true at all. In fact, my understanding is guys who flowed after 9 Dec 2013 are flowing into seniority with the class they are in, and hence will be DOH with LUS Constructive Notice Hires and well below 99' hires.

When I read through the current LAA seniority list, this seems to be the case and reading the proposed LAA ISL also backs this up. So yes F/T's that flowed prior to the merger have their spot on the LAA list, but flow's since Dec 2013 mix in with new hires.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old 06-13-2016, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
I think it's chicken sh*t that he won't mention his AE/AA hire into. It would help put his pontificating in perspective or the trash bin.

But his DOH has NOTHING to do with his SLI place. Nada. Zip. He's number X and the arbitrators will evaluate everyone and X might do better, or worse, with the arbs trying to balance the significant variables that affect 13,000 pilots.
What do you mean DOH has nothing to do with SLI? Every captain I've ever flown with keeps telling me its the ONLY FAIR WAY to integrate. Hell they did it that way when they were at piedmont,
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Yes, there indeed seems to be a lot of confusion. Slice should be able to clear it up.
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Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
The problem is, there is a lot of confusion and rumors on the LUS side about flows. I've flown with numerous guys that think that flows not even on property yet (still at Envoy) are going to be put ahead of guys hired in 99 at LUS. As far as I can tell, that's not true at all. In fact, my understanding is guys who flowed after 9 Dec 2013 are flowing into seniority with the class they are in, and hence will be DOH with LUS Constructive Notice Hires and well below 99' hires.

When I read through the current LAA seniority list, this seems to be the case and reading the proposed LAA ISL also backs this up. So yes F/T's that flowed prior to the merger have their spot on the LAA list, but flow's since Dec 2013 mix in with new hires.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
You are correct. There are now official side letters in place that concur.
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Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
The problem is, there is a lot of confusion and rumors on the LUS side about flows. I've flown with numerous guys that think that flows not even on property yet (still at Envoy) are going to be put ahead of guys hired in 99 at LUS. As far as I can tell, that's not true at all. In fact, my understanding is guys who flowed after 9 Dec 2013 are flowing into seniority with the class they are in, and hence will be DOH with LUS Constructive Notice Hires and well below 99' hires.

When I read through the current LAA seniority list, this seems to be the case and reading the proposed LAA ISL also backs this up. So yes F/T's that flowed prior to the merger have their spot on the LAA list, but flow's since Dec 2013 mix in with new hires.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Next rumor ask the guy to show you where it comes from. Not 'I heard', tell him 'show me where that is'. You listed a source that shows the rumor is FOS.

F/T's post 12/9/13 get a seniority number of the class they're in. They're fourth listers(LAA and LUS new hires post snapshot date 12/9/13) and all the fourth listers are (history as a guide) getting stapled by DOH.

I don't know how far behind a '99 hire the new hires will merge into the SLI. The arbs will sort that out and a '99 hire from the 'weakest' group (as identified by the arbs) will be closer to the new hires while a '99 hire from a different group will be farther away from the post 12/9/13 new hires.
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Old 06-14-2016, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
Next rumor ask the guy to show you where it comes from. Not 'I heard', tell him 'show me where that is'. You listed a source that shows the rumor is FOS.
I do this already, though I don't ask them to prove it, I just explain the cross checking that I've already done. To be fair, I haven't heard this rumor to much over the last few months.
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