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05-14-2013, 07:09 PM
#891
Flies With The Hat On
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From what I gathered she told both sides that they needed to figure something out and come back in a week or so with a plan. Told the west it did not have to be the Nicolau award. Got that from an east friend that was there, waiting to hear from a west friend that was there,and to read the transcript. Still kind of muddy.
No injunction.
No injunction.
Wow, if this is true than I can't wait to find the transcript and latest USAPA and AOL propaganda updates.
USAPA'S update:
USAPA Update - Addington II Hearing
The hearing in the Federal Courthouse in Phoenix, on the motion before Judge Silver this morning lasted a little more than 2 hours. The hearing was based on a series of written questions (click here to view them) presented to the parties as they walked into the courtroom for the hearing, and not the proposals made by any of the parties. There were questions for both sides about:
when the Plaintiffs DFR would be ripe for decision;
what specifically had happened since the decision that was issued last October; and
whether either side was willing to consider compromising from its position.
In particular, the Court directed the parties to discuss settlement of the seniority dispute.
At the end of the hearing, Judge Silver directed the parties to file:
(1) a status report regarding settlement discussions no later than May 21, 2013,
(2) opening briefs on whether the Court has the authority to order that the West Pilots will be a party at the McCaskill-Bond process, and
(3) responding briefs on that issue on May 24.
USAPA Update - Addington II Hearing
The hearing in the Federal Courthouse in Phoenix, on the motion before Judge Silver this morning lasted a little more than 2 hours. The hearing was based on a series of written questions (click here to view them) presented to the parties as they walked into the courtroom for the hearing, and not the proposals made by any of the parties. There were questions for both sides about:
when the Plaintiffs DFR would be ripe for decision;
what specifically had happened since the decision that was issued last October; and
whether either side was willing to consider compromising from its position.
In particular, the Court directed the parties to discuss settlement of the seniority dispute.
At the end of the hearing, Judge Silver directed the parties to file:
(1) a status report regarding settlement discussions no later than May 21, 2013,
(2) opening briefs on whether the Court has the authority to order that the West Pilots will be a party at the McCaskill-Bond process, and
(3) responding briefs on that issue on May 24.
Order (2) is interesting as it hints as to the next possible chapter of whether West Plots will enter SLI as a class or as pure USAPA pilots.
05-14-2013, 09:05 PM
#892
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The "settlement" has already been agreed to..In the form of an MOU. It stipulates how the SLI will be dealt with. McBond 3 way..I've been saying this for 3 months now. USAPA will submit 2 DOH lists to the arbitration panel. One for the east, and one for the west..The nic has been dead for a loooong time. Now WE must bury the past and look towards the future.
05-14-2013, 09:10 PM
#893
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"I doubt we'll see a settlement, both sides are too obstinately locked into an all or nothing burn the house down mindset. This is a continuing result of utterly poor ALPA union leadership on both sides."
That's one interpretation.
Another would be one side obstinately clinging to their 7-year DOH cram-down dream and the other following an agreed-upon binding process that already produced a list.
That's one interpretation.
Another would be one side obstinately clinging to their 7-year DOH cram-down dream and the other following an agreed-upon binding process that already produced a list.
05-15-2013, 05:26 AM
#895
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Well, this is clear as mud, but it does appear that the Wests dream of a judicial injunction forcing the Nic is dead, dead, dead. Obviously there will be no negotiated list between East and West because neither side is going to budge an inch. So it appears the judge may order it to go to three-way arbitration. This is where the West will have to pin its hopes, that there is a good chance any future panel of arbitrators is going to honor the decision of a previous arbitrator.
05-15-2013, 05:56 AM
#896
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Position: A320 Capt
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The actual transcript of yesterdays hearing is available to the public on cactuspilot.com.
Interesting. It sound to me like she is trying to make the parties compromise and a little unsure of her ground with the RLA. Hoping they will take care of it for her. I don't see that happening.
Interesting. It sound to me like she is trying to make the parties compromise and a little unsure of her ground with the RLA. Hoping they will take care of it for her. I don't see that happening.
05-15-2013, 06:31 AM
#897
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Man that's like saying " I hope the next arbitration panel does not punish the AA pilots for the TWA imbroglio"..Come on. Arbiters work with the SLs that are provided to them by the unions. In this case APA and USAPA. They do not re rack SLs to impose their will..The best the west can hope for, is for USAPA to submit 2 (east/west) DOH lists for the AA/USA arbitration. In my honest opinion, a mutual agreement should be reached between APA/USAPA and avoid McBond if possible. The east has enough attrition in the next 5 years to make a DOH list workable.
05-15-2013, 07:57 AM
#898
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Well, this is clear as mud, but it does appear that the Wests dream of a judicial injunction forcing the Nic is dead, dead, dead. Obviously there will be no negotiated list between East and West because neither side is going to budge an inch. So it appears the judge may order it to go to three-way arbitration. This is where the West will have to pin its hopes, that there is a good chance any future panel of arbitrators is going to honor the decision of a previous arbitrator.
If Silver does green light a menage-a-trois for the next arbitration, it would be at least partial reward for the East for their obstructive intransigence and perhaps that's where the West should focus their position on going forward in the hope of limiting any reward for that.
05-15-2013, 08:00 AM
#899
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Man that's like saying " I hope the next arbitration panel does not punish the AA pilots for the TWA imbroglio"..Come on. Arbiters work with the SLs that are provided to them by the unions. In this case APA and USAPA. They do not re rack SLs to impose their will..The best the west can hope for, is for USAPA to submit 2 (east/west) DOH lists for the AA/USA arbitration. In my honest opinion, a mutual agreement should be reached between APA/USAPA and avoid McBond if possible. The east has enough attrition in the next 5 years to make a DOH list workable.
Well, I can't fault you for dreaming big.
05-15-2013, 08:20 AM
#900
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DAL's arbitrated list was not DOH and UAL's likely won't be either.
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