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05-01-2013, 07:39 AM
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That's a stretch of logic. It was seniority neutral because the union knew that since we hadn't solved our standoff in the last 7 years there was little chance of doing so in a few weeks with the MOU. Had we tried to find an east/west solution we would be on the outside looking in. Just because the LUP is not stated in the MOU doesn't mean there isn't one.
05-01-2013, 07:40 AM
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05-01-2013, 07:41 AM
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We did just that with the MOU, and all but 24 of you guys voted for it.
05-01-2013, 07:45 AM
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05-01-2013, 07:47 AM
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Had we tried to find an east/west solution we would be on the outside looking in. Just because the LUP is not stated in the MOU doesn't mean there isn't one.
05-01-2013, 07:48 AM
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Yes it does You said the mou didn't affect the Nic. either way, now you say the MOU is doh. We voted for it because it was seniority "neutral" and didn't give our rights to the Nic. away. Go read the specific parts of the TA the MOU specifically changes, the Nic is not one.
You guys have a scheme. Vote it in to make it ripe, get an injunction and then before USAPA can appeal the APA will take over and drop it. I don't see it working, but who knows?
05-01-2013, 08:06 AM
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And Ken and Rocky will testify that this is not so.
Yes
That fits right into our strategy, they are colluding with usapa to deny the Nic.
Evidence of collusion with usapa.
Ken and Rocky don't agree with that and will testify that the MOU in no way got rid of the Nic. Have you read the company filing? They also say the mou in no way gets rid of the nic. So who's lying?
We voted it in because it gave us a single contract and thus ripeness. Now we can have a court look at this for it's merits.
If the TA was made complete the company would have to combine us in 12 months, right?
Well, they are expressly not doing that.
Remember Captain Gay's quick answer on that in the last crew news?
It is clearly laid out in the MOU, that Ken Holmes, a leader of AOL helped write! If you didn't like it, you shouldn't have voted yes for it.
You guys have a scheme. Vote it in to make it ripe, get an injunction and then before USAPA can appeal the APA will take over and drop it. I don't see it working, but who knows?
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05-01-2013, 08:26 AM
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From the company:
Looks like the company agrees with the west, the Nic. didn't go anywhere and the TA stipulation requiring the Nic. is still intact. Maybe usapa doesn't really understand what it negotiated?
The final integrated seniority list will be determined in accordance withthe federal McCaskill-Bond statute (enacted in 2007, after the USAirways/America West merger), which makes provision for a “final and binding”arbitration to develop a “fair and equitable” integrated seniority list.
So MB came after the awa/us merger. Interesting to note that MB cannot be applied retroactively, by law.
What is not settled by the MOU, however, is
the seniority list(s) for US Airways
(East and West) pilots that will be used
in the overall seniority integration with
American’s pilots. Any suggestion that the
parties to the MOU (including US Airways)
have agreed that the Nicolau Award senior
ity list will not be used is incorrect
the seniority list(s) for US Airways
(East and West) pilots that will be used
in the overall seniority integration with
American’s pilots. Any suggestion that the
parties to the MOU (including US Airways)
have agreed that the Nicolau Award senior
ity list will not be used is incorrect
The final integrated seniority list will be determined in accordance withthe federal McCaskill-Bond statute (enacted in 2007, after the USAirways/America West merger), which makes provision for a “final and binding”arbitration to develop a “fair and equitable” integrated seniority list.
05-01-2013, 09:55 AM
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USAPA did inherit the Nic, which is why a LUP will be used to change it.
"The LUP is the entry of a third pilot group's simultaneous arrival with the MOU, which is prior to JCBA implementation that would otherwise have made the DFR ripe."
From the company:
Looks like the company agrees with the west, the Nic. didn't go anywhere and the TA stipulation requiring the Nic. is still intact. Maybe usapa doesn't really understand what it negotiated?
So MB came after the awa/us merger. Interesting to note that MB cannot be applied retroactively, by law.
Looks like the company agrees with the west, the Nic. didn't go anywhere and the TA stipulation requiring the Nic. is still intact. Maybe usapa doesn't really understand what it negotiated?
So MB came after the awa/us merger. Interesting to note that MB cannot be applied retroactively, by law.
Yes cactiboss, but the quote does not say that they did accept the list either—its a neutral statement that does not point either way.
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