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#811
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No, I saw that part. I'm not sure why you are referencing it, but I'll take a wild guess that you think it means something important beyond what it actually says. What it says is rather obvious... that USAPA's position on seniority integration has the potential to affect the West pilot group "one way or the other". (i.e. positively or negatively). About the most neutral and obvious thing someone could possibly say about the situation.
It does NOT say that USAPA's position on seniority integration is an automatic breach of DFR, which appears to be what you are implying.
It does NOT say that USAPA's position on seniority integration is an automatic breach of DFR, which appears to be what you are implying.
That is true even if the West Pilots are allowed to advocate for the Nicolau Award seniority list, because the US Airways’ pilots would still be asserting two conflicting positions.”
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#816
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Uh oh, looks like company just threw usapa under the bus.
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West..._PI_Motion.pdf
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West..._PI_Motion.pdf
Management wins when they weaken any union and reinforce any basis for litigious infighting.
Monies paid out in a DFR are less monies available for negotiating, grievances and future litigation not tied to this DFR case.
Make no mistake, your mentality is part of the problem cactiboss, but the tragedy as that you ill will is equally present on both sides of the USAPA.
#817
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"insofar as plaintiffs’ motion is directed
at US Airways, the motion should be
denied because the only claim in plaintiffs’
Complaint asserted against US Airways, for
breach of the collectively-bargained Transition Agreement, raises
a “minor dispute” that is subject to the exclusive arbitral jurisdiction
of a Board of Adjustment under the Railway Labor Act. In any event, there is nobasis for the Court to issue an injunction against US Airways because plaintiffs’ motion does not assert that US Airways will oppose
the use of the Nicolau Award seniority list and, in fact, US Airways will not be presenting or advocating for th e use of the Nicolau
Award or any other seniority list in the
US Airways/American seniority-integration process"
"With respect to plaintiffs’ claim for breach of the duty of fair representation
(“DFR”) against defendant US Airline Pilots Association (“ USAPA”), US Airways remains neutral on the merits of the claim."
"There Is No Basis To Enter An In junction Against US Airways.
Plaintiffs’ Complaint contains only one cause of action against US Airways, for breach of the collectively-bargained Transition Agreement based on the allegations that an implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing embodied in th e Transition Agreement requires the use of the Nicolau Award in the US Airways/American seniority-integration process and that US Airways
breached that covenant when it entered into the MOUwithout expressly requiring the use of the Ni colau Award. (Compl. (Doc. No. 1) at¶¶ 101-112.) This claim raises a “minor dispute” that is subject to the exclusive arbitral jurisdiction of a Board of Adjustmen t under the Railway Labor Act. ( Accordingly, the Court does not have subject-matter jurisdiction over that claim and it cannot serv e as the basis for in junctive relief against US Airways."
"In any event, US Airways will not be presenting or advocating
for the use of the Nicolau Award or any other seniority list
in the US Airways/American seniority- integration process.
The MOU expressly provides that “US Airways . . .shall remain neutral
regarding the order in which pilots are placed on the integrated seniority list.”
The company wants this ripe because unlike our merger, if we are not integrated it will cost money instead of saving money. That doesn't mean they will get it. But even if they do, there are many more hurdles. A leader of AOL helped write the MOU, your attorneys told you to vote for it, you did and now you want to say it was illegal?
We were at a stalemate. We came up with an alternate solution and all agreed to it.
#818
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It is neutral with respect to our SLI-there won't be one and we keep what we have until the AA SLI. USAPA put out a letter saying that no west pilot should vote for the MOU thinking it would implement the Nic and no east pilot should vote against it because they fear it would implement the Nic. Had it not been neutral on our mess we would have never gotten a MOU and would have been on the outside looking in, waiting for judicial resolution. We ALL AGREED not to do that, but now you guys want to change the rules. Sounds like what you have been accusing us of all the time.
#819
The MOU serves as a legitimate union purpose for dis carting the nic...
#820
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Have you actually read it,or just taken your handlers word for it as you wrote them another check? Let me show you a few quotes that propaganda minister left out.
"insofar as plaintiffs’ motion is directed
at US Airways, the motion should be
denied because the only claim in plaintiffs’
Complaint asserted against US Airways, for
breach of the collectively-bargained Transition Agreement, raises
a “minor dispute” that is subject to the exclusive arbitral jurisdiction
of a Board of Adjustment under the Railway Labor Act. In any event, there is nobasis for the Court to issue an injunction against US Airways because plaintiffs’ motion does not assert that US Airways will oppose
the use of the Nicolau Award seniority list and, in fact, US Airways will not be presenting or advocating for th e use of the Nicolau
Award or any other seniority list in the
US Airways/American seniority-integration process"
"With respect to plaintiffs’ claim for breach of the duty of fair representation
(“DFR”) against defendant US Airline Pilots Association (“ USAPA”), US Airways remains neutral on the merits of the claim."
"There Is No Basis To Enter An In junction Against US Airways.
Plaintiffs’ Complaint contains only one cause of action against US Airways, for breach of the collectively-bargained Transition Agreement based on the allegations that an implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing embodied in th e Transition Agreement requires the use of the Nicolau Award in the US Airways/American seniority-integration process and that US Airways
breached that covenant when it entered into the MOUwithout expressly requiring the use of the Ni colau Award. (Compl. (Doc. No. 1) at¶¶ 101-112.) This claim raises a “minor dispute” that is subject to the exclusive arbitral jurisdiction of a Board of Adjustmen t under the Railway Labor Act. ( Accordingly, the Court does not have subject-matter jurisdiction over that claim and it cannot serv e as the basis for in junctive relief against US Airways."
"In any event, US Airways will not be presenting or advocating
for the use of the Nicolau Award or any other seniority list
in the US Airways/American seniority- integration process.
The MOU expressly provides that “US Airways . . .shall remain neutral
regarding the order in which pilots are placed on the integrated seniority list.”
The company wants this ripe because unlike our merger, if we are not integrated it will cost money instead of saving money. That doesn't mean they will get it. But even if they do, there are many more hurdles. A leader of AOL helped write the MOU, your attorneys told you to vote for it, you did and now you want to say it was illegal?
We were at a stalemate. We came up with an alternate solution and all agreed to it.
"insofar as plaintiffs’ motion is directed
at US Airways, the motion should be
denied because the only claim in plaintiffs’
Complaint asserted against US Airways, for
breach of the collectively-bargained Transition Agreement, raises
a “minor dispute” that is subject to the exclusive arbitral jurisdiction
of a Board of Adjustment under the Railway Labor Act. In any event, there is nobasis for the Court to issue an injunction against US Airways because plaintiffs’ motion does not assert that US Airways will oppose
the use of the Nicolau Award seniority list and, in fact, US Airways will not be presenting or advocating for th e use of the Nicolau
Award or any other seniority list in the
US Airways/American seniority-integration process"
"With respect to plaintiffs’ claim for breach of the duty of fair representation
(“DFR”) against defendant US Airline Pilots Association (“ USAPA”), US Airways remains neutral on the merits of the claim."
"There Is No Basis To Enter An In junction Against US Airways.
Plaintiffs’ Complaint contains only one cause of action against US Airways, for breach of the collectively-bargained Transition Agreement based on the allegations that an implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing embodied in th e Transition Agreement requires the use of the Nicolau Award in the US Airways/American seniority-integration process and that US Airways
breached that covenant when it entered into the MOUwithout expressly requiring the use of the Ni colau Award. (Compl. (Doc. No. 1) at¶¶ 101-112.) This claim raises a “minor dispute” that is subject to the exclusive arbitral jurisdiction of a Board of Adjustmen t under the Railway Labor Act. ( Accordingly, the Court does not have subject-matter jurisdiction over that claim and it cannot serv e as the basis for in junctive relief against US Airways."
"In any event, US Airways will not be presenting or advocating
for the use of the Nicolau Award or any other seniority list
in the US Airways/American seniority- integration process.
The MOU expressly provides that “US Airways . . .shall remain neutral
regarding the order in which pilots are placed on the integrated seniority list.”
The company wants this ripe because unlike our merger, if we are not integrated it will cost money instead of saving money. That doesn't mean they will get it. But even if they do, there are many more hurdles. A leader of AOL helped write the MOU, your attorneys told you to vote for it, you did and now you want to say it was illegal?
We were at a stalemate. We came up with an alternate solution and all agreed to it.
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