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Old 04-30-2013, 02:27 PM
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The MOU is nothing more than a written agreement to a process that becomes Legally binding when, and only when, the POR is approved. At that point ALL previous CBAs, TA, agreements,etc,etc, become NULL and VOID!!
It implies more than ONE pilot SL at USA.. Why the separate min block hr, protections for east/west/AA until JCBA??
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Old 04-30-2013, 02:29 PM
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Well then, I guess we do not need the good judge to decide do we. The Co. has spoken, and their opinion is LAW..Give me a break... Silver and the 9th have spoken, and their mandate is LAW..
You have never understood what Silver said. She told you you needed a legitimate union purpose to change the Nic. Why do you guys forget that part?
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Really? the company says the Mou is a single contract for east and west, they throw away your hopes of a three way and they tell the judge that ripeness is met. These are all points that match the west's position and go against usapa's.
I don't think it says what you think it says.

Indeed, US Airways understands that the West Pilot Class will claim a right to be represented separately in the McCaskill-Bond process by counsel of their choice – a position which US Airways believes to be supported by the relevant legal authority.
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Old 04-30-2013, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
You have never understood what Silver said. She told you you needed a legitimate union purpose to change the Nic. Why do you guys forget that part?
The MOU was negotiated by OUR union USAPA. It was jointly ratified, by a 98% west vote I may add. This would satisfy the requirements of having "a legitimate union purpose"?? The west ratified the MOU, and nowhere in the MOU is the nic mentioned, or even implied...A JCBA has many sections...Can you please make reference to the section in the MOU that covers the east/west SL ?? You will not find it. Why? Because the MOU is NOT a JCBA..
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I don't think it says what you think it says.
You missed this part

USAPA’s position regarding the relative seniority of the East a
nd West pilots will impact the West Pilots
(one way or the other) in the overall US Airway
s/American seniority integration
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The MOU was negotiated by OUR union USAPA. It was jointly ratified, by a 98% west vote I may add. This would satisfy the requirements of having "a legitimate union purpose"??
That already happened. we all voted for it and it is done. Why does usapa need to change the nicolau now to get something that was already voted on in the affirmative?
The west ratified the MOU, and nowhere in the MOU is the nic mentioned, or even implied...
Neither is doh

A JCBA has many sections...Can you please make reference to the section in the MOU that covers the east/west SL ??
Doesn't exist
You will not find it. Why? Because the MOU is NOT a JCBA..
The Mou only addresses us/aa seniority, our TA is what addresses east/west seniority.
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
our TA is what addresses east/west seniority.
A TA that becomes Null and Void at POR......
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You missed this part
No, I saw that part. I'm not sure why you are referencing it, but I'll take a wild guess that you think it means something important beyond what it actually says. What it says is rather obvious... that USAPA's position on seniority integration has the potential to affect the West pilot group "one way or the other". (i.e. positively or negatively). About the most neutral and obvious thing someone could possibly say about the situation.

It does NOT say that USAPA's position on seniority integration is an automatic breach of DFR, which appears to be what you are implying.
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A TA that becomes Null and Void at POR......
So usapa lied to the west that the Nic. would not go away if we voted for the mou?
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Originally Posted by ackattacker
No, I saw that part. I'm not sure why you are referencing it, but I'll take a wild guess that you think it means something important beyond what it actually says. What it says is rather obvious... that USAPA's position on seniority integration has the potential to affect the West pilot group "one way or the other". (i.e. positively or negatively). About the most neutral and obvious thing someone could possibly say about the situation.

It does NOT say that USAPA's position on seniority integration is an automatic breach of DFR, which appears to be what you are implying.
I think you are the one that doesn't get it. There is nothing "neutral" about the statement. Read further:

That is true even if the West Pilots are allowed to advocate for the Nicolau Award seniority list, because the US Airways’ pilots would still be asserting two conflicting positions.”

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