ackattacker

For those of you who don't know what R57 is talking about, he's referring to AWA pilots being sent to Australia in 1989 to cross the picket line at Ansett Airlines during their strike. The one and only true definition of a scab.

Wiskey Driver

Ok this has turned into yet another childish display of antics. I have yet see any of these mens names on any master scab list however I do believe that usapa's spokesperson James Ray is.

This is neither here nor there unless your point is to behave like babies in which case by all means carry on.

WD at AWA

R57 relay

Childish? Absolutely. Tell Cacti to stop misusing the word. I am not a scab and he directly called me one. That is highly offensive.



Weren't a lot of the original AWA pilots scabs at Wien and other places? Do a quick "America West" word search of a certain document and see what you find.

I found over 60 names. From UAL, WAA, EAL and Australia.

ackattacker

I believe it is against policy to post any scab lists on here, however you are incorrect, there are several current AWA pilots who made it onto the master scab list from AFAP 89. I won't paste the names here but believe me they are there. M.D., C.D., R.F., J.K., B.L., S.L., J.M., and more, I gave up looking at M and I'm not even counting folks who aren't there anymore.

Maybe it's neither here nor there, but cactiboss was throwing around baseless "scab union" rhetoric which is a bit, shall we say, hypocritical.

R57 relay

Thanks for that heads up, I forgot that and will delete.

CaptainBigWood

ALPA loves dues money even from scabs. They welcomed Continental to pay dues after Lorenzo hired strike breakers. It all about the dues for all unions USAPA included.

flybywire44

The merger had been canceled:

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cactusmike

I know the guys who flew in Australia. No one crossed a picket line. There was no strike, there was a work dispute and the Australian pilots resigned their positions. But there was never a strike. They flew AWA airplanes under contract just like every ACMI operator out there. There were Brannif and Wardair guys that took jobs down there. AWA pilots did not.

UAL also flew domestic passengers between SYdney and Melbourne but everyone conveniently forgets that. It's easy to throw names on a list that can't be disputed or verified.

There were a couple of wein scabs at AWA but they are long gone. James Ray, however, a CO scab is still a USAPA spokesman.

USAPA was set up to circumvent a lawful union, ALPA. USAPA meets the definition of a,yellow dog union. All they have done is given management free rein to whipsaw two pilot groups. Thankfully, USAPA's days are numbered

R57 relay

You want to rationalize the Australia thing, fine, but I see many UAL, WAA and EAL scab names that ended up at AWA.

Ray says they got his name wrong, that he never crossed a line. Maybe, maybe not, but if he got through at PI after scabbing he was a rarity.

Fact is many west guys misuse the term and you guys should call them on it.

I found this definition of a yellow dog union:

"Yellow dog union is used to refer to an employee association that resembles a trade union. A yellow dog union will be affiliated secretly and it is operated by an employer. It is also known as company union."

Are you claiming that USAPA is run by US Airways management?

cactusmike

Well, it's worked out that way. And it was formed to bust the union we had.

Point taken about the scab term. It's thrown out there way too often.