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03-10-2013, 08:28 AM
#424
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I don't think so. I think the MOU is laid out in such a way that the process will go on. If some want to sue, that is their business, but I don't see AA pilots being dragged into it. The US pilots are fighting an 8 year old SLI and are barely looking at the next one.
03-10-2013, 08:34 AM
#425
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not true, you want a snapshot now with downgrades and furloughs, that hurts the west and we won't even consider it.
See we have less seniority today than in 2005, you know that . You think the arbitrators will ignore the Nic? I will tell you here and now that the east/west pilots will be arranged in Nicolau order when this is over, it won't be called Nicolau but the us/aa list.
See we have less seniority today than in 2005, you know that . You think the arbitrators will ignore the Nic? I will tell you here and now that the east/west pilots will be arranged in Nicolau order when this is over, it won't be called Nicolau but the us/aa list.
We may very well be ordered by the Nic, but you don't know that. I hope you don't operate airplanes with the same reasoning and tunnel vision you display here.
03-10-2013, 08:38 AM
#426
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See you don't get it. The Nic. Is status quo combined list, you know what they say about repeating a lie long enough and you begin to believe it? Well usapa has been lying all along about not only inheriting the Nic but also about the Nic not being status quo.
From Silver:
From Silver:
The Nicolau has never been used and the MOU calls for using the seniority lists in effect. You may be right, I just don't see it. You don't have to convince any of us, just a judge.
03-10-2013, 08:45 AM
#427
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You are confounded because you are morally bankrupt when it comes to our situation. You believe that what usapa has done is not only legal but morally just. Using the majority to get out of your agreements ( what you couldn't get in arbitration you took by force) and harming your fellow coworkers is not a good thing and never will be. You guys are so morally lacking that you can't tell the difference in legitimacy between a third party arbitrated list and one that is made up by the larger group for its own benefit .
What USAPA has done has nothing to do with morality. The law has allowed it. That is the problem with some of you guys, you see it as this big moral battle instead of a disagreement on how to split the pie. You are jihadists.
We are living by our agreement, the TA. It is you that wants out of it. You don't want to abide by the separate ops clause. You wanted me to vote in an inferior contract just so you could get your windfall. You fall into the trap of believing that if USAPA's DOH scheme is bad then the Nic must be good(and vice versa) and can see no other solution. That kind of thinking (from both sides) is idiotic and has damaged us tremendously. A little less rhetoric and a lot more pragmatism would have served us better.
03-10-2013, 09:23 AM
#428
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It's called an iphone, it does automatically. You hear of word prediction? Does that too and sometimes I don't notice or don't bother correcting.
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03-10-2013, 09:29 AM
#429
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The Nicolau has never been used and the MOU calls for using the seniority lists in effect. You may be right, I just don't see it. You don't have to convince any of us, just a judge.
03-10-2013, 09:34 AM
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Nope not at all. If Wilson's letter is to be believed we will go to arbitration ( apa won't make a deal with usapa) after we are all under one contract and it will all be over very quickly. the Mou and MB are set up so that what the east has done cannot ever happen again.
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