cactiboss

How can you back the east pilots actions after saying this?

Carl Spackler

Yet that's exactly what you've wanted the east pilots to accept. A snapshot back when USAir had guys furloughed and you didn't. That was unfair then, just as it would be unfair now if that were to happen to the west guys. Interesting you should use the phrase "we won't even consider it". That's exactly what the east pilots said when the Nic award came out. It really shows that you would have done the same thing if the award had been reversed. No pilot group would have just rolled over with an award as unbalanced as the Nic was.

You could be right about that. Or it could be a snapshot taken with both sides' pilots active, then ratio the two lists into APA. You just never know.

Carl

Carl Spackler

I didn't say I back their actions. I've just said I understand them. You would have done the exact same thing if you had been stapled. Anyone would. They are trying to staple you with DOH now as some sort of power play/punishment...and that will also never happen.

I fault your attorneys who are telling you that you have a DFR case. That's just wrong. I hope that all 3 lists are brought before the arbitrator and that he is wise enough not to penalize any side for furloughs.

Carl

cactiboss

You understand that w already won a jury trial right? Do you also understand that judge Silver says usapa must have a legitimate union purpose to not use the Nic? Think about that last one, we just voted in a new contract (or a guaranteed process to one if you prefer), what legitimate reason would usapa have to take the Nic from the west to benefit the east?

Gallifrey

Perhaps they want to avoid a DFR from the furloughed East pilots.

cactiboss

Well heck, why hasnt usapa said so? Moving the west pilots backwards is legitimate because it moves the east furloughs forward on the list. Brilliant.

Carl Spackler

Yes I do. And I'm sure you understand that you have been (thus far) successfully and legally kept from operating under what your jury trial said you were entitled to. Two separate lists is your current status quo.

That's not what I remember reading. I remember reading Silver saying that USAPA could choose not to implement Nic if it was for a legitimate union purpose. USAPA will undoubtedly argue that they did just that with the agreement they forged with everyone (including west pilot leadership). An agreement that garnered 95% YES votes from west pilots.

There might also be some east pilots who benefit more from the Nic than what might happen from 3 lists being brought to the arbitrator. But since the Nic has never been implemented, those east pilots would have the same hard time that you will in proving harm with respect to your current status quo.

Carl

cactiboss

See you don't get it. The Nic. Is status quo combined list, you know what they say about repeating a lie long enough and you begin to believe it? Well usapa has been lying all along about not only inheriting the Nic but also about the Nic not being status quo.

From Silver:
so the Silver says usapa can change the "existing" list at its own risk. The Nic. Is alive and the company must agree to kill it, usapa cannot unilaterally do it. You say the mou does this, again you show your ignorance of the facts. Usapa, their lawyers and communications are all on record saying the mou did not address east west seniority in any way. So if you and r57 are to be believed, usapa lied to the west and that my friend is illegal and would make our dfr lawsuit "ripe". Btw our TA which is still in effect, requires the Nic implementation when a single contract is voted in.

DCA A321 FO

Why do you keep capitalizing the word after "Nic."

Did you even graduate from high school?

ForeverFO

This (AA/USA/AW) SLI is going to blow chunks... I was rooting for it, the merger in general, to get rid of ToHo, and because it did make financial sense. But it is obvious we are going to spend all our money on lawyers in the next 5 to 10 years.