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03-08-2013, 12:57 PM
#381
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Maybe you guys have finally found the winning solution.
03-08-2013, 01:06 PM
#382
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So, the suit is a placeholder, you know nothing will happen with it in the current timeline. USAPA will begin the SLI process, and then when the APA takes over, before arbitration, it will be so worried about DFR from AOL that it will substitute the Nic for whatever USAPA proffered? And not worry about any legal implications about that. Do I have it right?
Maybe you guys have finally found the winning solution.
Maybe you guys have finally found the winning solution.
Ps of course there is always a chance apa will disregard the existing Nicolau list and propose a doh list.
03-08-2013, 02:15 PM
#384
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The Nic. Is the current mandated seniority list in our contracts and accepted in writing. Usapa inherited the Nic and so will the apa. Usapa will not start or participate in any sli negotiatiations, they're hands are shackled until this case is complete. In other words usapa won't live to see the end of this dfr. Get it now?
Ps of course there is always a chance apa will disregard the existing Nicolau list and propose a doh list.
Ps of course there is always a chance apa will disregard the existing Nicolau list and propose a doh list.
are those who never have doubts
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03-08-2013, 02:35 PM
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The Nic. Is the current mandated seniority list in our contracts and accepted in writing. Usapa inherited the Nic and so will the apa. Usapa will not start or participate in any sli negotiatiations, they're hands are shackled until this case is complete. In other words usapa won't live to see the end of this dfr. Get it now?
Ps of course there is always a chance apa will disregard the existing Nicolau list and propose a doh list.
Ps of course there is always a chance apa will disregard the existing Nicolau list and propose a doh list.
Why do you say that USAPA will not start the SLI process? They are the legal CBA. The process starts shortly after POR. Are you predicting some court order preventing them from starting the SLI process? Why are their hands shackled?
03-08-2013, 03:05 PM
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USAPA will be gone shortly after the POR, when the petition for single carrier status is made. The timeline for that is 2 to 4 months after POR. Actually there is the possibility that the APA could file before the POR ate. There is precedent for that.
By the way, USAPA just raised your dues to 2.5%. The most expensive, least effective union in the history of the labor movement. This is with 6 million in extra cash (revenue over expenses). It will be truly a great day when these idiots are flushed down the toilet, along with the crap airline known as US Air(ways).
Blew, keep dreaming, it's great to have a fantasy world to retreat into when reality gets too harsh for you.
By the way, USAPA just raised your dues to 2.5%. The most expensive, least effective union in the history of the labor movement. This is with 6 million in extra cash (revenue over expenses). It will be truly a great day when these idiots are flushed down the toilet, along with the crap airline known as US Air(ways).
Blew, keep dreaming, it's great to have a fantasy world to retreat into when reality gets too harsh for you.
03-08-2013, 03:09 PM
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Why do you say that USAPA will not start the SLI process? They are the legal CBA. The process starts shortly after POR. Are you predicting some court order preventing them from starting the SLI process? Why are their hands shackled?
03-08-2013, 03:26 PM
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26. APA shall file a single carrier petition with the NMB as soon as practicable after the Effective
Date, when APA determines that the facts support the legal requirements for the filing of a petition but
in no event later than four months after the Effective Date.
In the notes:
[decision]At NMB discretion, but projected 6-8 months from petition.
Looks like 10-12 months from POR and until then USAPA is our CBA. The SLI process starts before then.
03-08-2013, 03:29 PM
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if a judge tomorrow were to say that the mou counts as a single contract for east and west, what list would go into effect?
Because there is a dispute if their proposals are legal, no one will play with usapa until they get legal indemnity, you should know this after 5 years of the company not touching the seniority issue.
Because there is a dispute if their proposals are legal, no one will play with usapa until they get legal indemnity, you should know this after 5 years of the company not touching the seniority issue.
If I understand you right, you think the APA will just spin their wheels in the negotiation phase, say "We have to go to arbitration, then by the time we are ready to go there the APA will be our CBA and ignore everything USAPA has done. Right/
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