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Old 03-08-2013, 09:02 AM
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March 8, 2013

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In the USAPA President’s message dated March 6th, 2013, President Gary Hummel announced that USAPA filed a lawsuit in the United States Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York. You can download the USAPA lawsuit here. He says that the aim of this litigation is to prevent Leonidas, LLC from interfering with the AMR bankruptcy case that has been underway since November, 2011. You can read the message here.

As the exclusive collective bargaining agent (CBA) for all US Airways pilots, USAPA is the only entity on the Airways side that can interfere with the AMR bankruptcy, and from their filing it looks like they are trying to accomplish exactly that right now.

Truth be told, nobody on the West is trying to stop the merger or derail the MOU, which brings with it long overdue pay and benefit increases for all US Airways pilots. While the MOU voting was open, the USAPA Merger Committee and the USAPA legal counsel were very clear in their statements and communications to the US Airways pilots that the MOU did not take a position on East/West seniority. Among those publicly stating this opinion was none other than USAPA President Gary Hummel – the same Gary Hummel who just two days ago claimed that a West “yes” vote in favor of the MOU was really a vote in favor of USAPA’s DOH scheme. Really?

This seniority issue is not a problem of the West’s making. Stronger leadership from both ALPA and US Airways at the time Arbitrator Nicolau released his decision could have prevented the battles of the last five years. Judge Wake succinctly explained it:

“If the membership were correctly advised on the limits of fair representation that constrain the agreement—and all the collective bargaining of every union—then they would perceive no incentive to hold out for an improper bargaining objective. Judge Wake, Doc. 593 pg. 29]

But, the failure of third parties to do what needed to be done has not stopped - and will not stop - the former America West pilots from pursuing their rightful claim to the fair, final and binding Nicolau Arbitration which was accepted by Doug Parker on December 20, 2007.

To that effect, West legal counsel was compelled to file a DFR complaint on Wednesday in the Federal District Court of Arizona, naming both USAPA and US Airways as Defendants. You can read a copy of the filing here. In other words, Addington II is on.

Our case has been assigned to Senior District Judge Paul Rosenblatt, a President Reagan appointee. Although we believe Judge Rosenblatt to be eminently qualified to hear our case, West counsel believes that it would be best for all if our case was heard by a judge who is intimately familiar with the law of the case. There are two judges who have this prior experience, and those are Judge Silver and Judge Wake. Therefore, a Motion to Transfer was filed yesterday, which you can download here. In the Addington I case heard before Judge Wake, there were just three parties interested in the outcome: USAPA, the West and US Airways. In US Airways’s Declaratory Action case before Judge Silver, there were the same three parties interested in the outcome. Now there are three more parties added to the mix: AMR, APA and the AMR creditors. As we said above, the East/West seniority dispute is not of the West’s making. Pilot seniority was settled nearly six years ago through a binding arbitration, and we are very confident that in the end it will be this arbitrated seniority list that is integrated with the American Airlines pilots. USAPA was afforded some time by the Ninth Circuit to create an alternative which would not violate its duty to fairly represent all pilots, but as many predicted they were unsuccessful. Now, their time is up. In the words of Judge Tashima who authored the majority opinion at the Ninth Circuit in Addington I:
“By deferring judicial intervention, we leave USAPA to bargain in good faith pursuant to its DFR, with the interests of all members — both East and West — in mind, under pain of an unquestionably ripe DFR suit, once a contract is ratified.” Addington v. USAPA, 606 F.3d 1174, 9th Cir. FN 1

We look forward to presenting our case for what will probably be the last time. It is our sincere hope that all US Airways pilots will be able to take the one issue which has divided us and put it squarely in the rear view mirror. Every US Airways pilot has suffered by USAPA’s misperceived and unwarranted fear of the Nicolau. Despite the fact that it is actually the responsibility of union leadership to educate their pilots, the West has tried for years to respectfully explain to our East brethren that Arbitrator Nicolau blended two lists into one via a ratio method that placed all active pilots close to their original seniority on the respective East and West lists. Our attempts to elicit understanding have been constantly met with hostility. By finally ending this dispute with the East, we look forward to better days ahead for all and the West sincerely hopes that all parties can move forward collectively to build a “New American Airlines.”

Stay informed, stay focused, and keep the goal in sight.

Sincerely,

Leonidas, LLC
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Originally Posted by eaglefly;
Considering the terminal quagmire this latest development may produce, I wonder if this option if available, may be the most expeditious and beneficial option.
I won't get into the spinoff theory of yours but I will tell you that the only quagmire here is usapa. There is a reason why the company wrote term sheet 1 and now the mou with getting rid of usapa a contractual mandate. Usairways management has no working relationship with usapa, usapa dies and the problem dies.
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``We expect to be in the federal courts very shortly to prevent the sale of the shuttle,`` said Jack Bavis, chairman of the master executive council of the Air Line Pilots Association at Eastern.
Texas Air Chairman Frank Lorenzo said that selling the 27-year-old shuttle was ``not our preferred course,`` but that Eastern`s unions had made it necessary.
Earlier this year, Lorenzo sought to transfer the shuttle from Eastern to Texas Air in exchange for $225 million, but the idea was dropped in the face of union opposition.
According to the deal, Trump will gain landing rights and operations at LaGuardia Airport in New York, National Airport in Washington and Logan International Airport in Boston. He also will get 17 Boeing 727 jets, which he plans to repaint in red, black and gold stripes.
About 850 Eastern employees work on the shuttle, which provides hourly flights between its three Northeastern hubs. Employees will retain pay and benefits should they choose to go to work for Trump, Eastern said.
The current union contracts would remain in force, Eastern said. Trump expects to close the purchase by Dec. 15, pending approvals by the Department of Transportation and local aviation authorities.
Analysts said Trump surfaced as a buyer of the shuttle because of his New Jersey casino holdings.
``He`s going to use the aircraft on the weekend to fly into Atlantic City,`` said Harold Shenton, director of market analysis at Avmark Inc., of Arlington, Va.
Shenton also said Trump may be buying the shuttle for reasons unrelated to business.
``A lot of people with money get this airline bug,`` he said. ``It`s an amazing ego trip, owning an airline.``
Trump appeared at a New York news conference with Lorenzo and Eastern president Phil Bakes to announce the sale. At the news conference, Lorenzo confirmed reports that he has discussed selling the rest of Eastern with TWA Chairman Carl Icahn.
Texas Air bought Eastern two years ago for $660 million, but has suffered huge losses and battles with labor. The shuttle sale may indicate that Lorenzo has given up on Eastern as an independent company, analysts said.

"Divestures" The sale of some of a Co. assets.
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Originally Posted by ackattacker
Such as most everybody else in the company is combined except for the pilot group. F/A's are now on one contract. All the millions of big and little departments (H/R, MOC, scheduling, IT, ground workers etc.) are already combined. Many of those groups have their own unions with their own contracts and protections. Separating them again would be such an absolute nightmare that it would not be feasible to spin off or sell the West as an operating airline. Only way to do it would be to just sell the airplanes and furlough the pilots and F/A's... which is specifically prohibited by the previous T/A and the current MOU and F/A contract.

Incidentally, the MOU is a step below a contract, but it is a legal document and does bear legal weight. They can't just ignore it or break it at will. The separate CBA's and TA's continue until they are replaced by the new MTA which is formed from the MOU. So at no point are the pilot groups operating without a legal contract. The MOU/MTA requires the company to maintain certain East and West block hours, protects certain LCC routes including West routes (such as the Hawaii flights out of PHX) and prohibits furloughs. The separate CBA's and TA also have fleet protections, so at no point is the company legally free to spin off/sell/furlough the West.
The mou lives if the POR is approved by the BK court. Which requires merger acceptance by the DOJ, European Union, etc, etc. In the mean time, the east and west continue to operate as SEPARATE franchises within the realm of their respective CBAs.
Please answer this. What MA protections does the "current" AW cba have?
Co. can be fractured and divested, even with common/harmonised labor groups and cbas. Note the 1988 Eastern Shuttle divesture and the 1992 Pan Am asset sale to Delta Airlines. In our current business/legal environment, anything is possible. If you claim the contrary, prepare to be "enlightened"..
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
I won't get into the spinoff theory of yours but I will tell you that the only quagmire here is usapa. There is a reason why the company wrote term sheet 1 and now the mou with getting rid of usapa a contractual mandate. Usairways management has no working relationship with usapa, usapa dies and the problem dies.
Really, but yet the MOU was packaged and delivered by the Co. and USAPAs leaders...In record time, I must add.
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It is common knowledge that the DOJ will require certain carve-outs from the merged airline. Most of these will be from DCA were the merged New AA would control 67% of the market. By Divesting the west operation, the New AA would allow OTHER entrants to gain access to DCA slots, amongst others. Note that on the previous DA/USA slot swap, USA offered to relinquish certain slots to JB...Humm I wonder why??
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Originally Posted by VenetianFryCook
Read the complaint this morning. It makes clear what was muddied by the wording in MH's letters a couple weeks ago, which is that the West has ZERO interest in slowing down the corporate merger of AA and US.

VFC
There is one fly I see in this VFC. Delaying the integration will cost the company money. It did with AW/US too, but the east pilots were subsidizing the loss and that won't be the case this time. The last DJ has been going on for over two years! How long will this take?
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
There is one fly I see in this VFC. Delaying the integration will cost the company money. It did with AW/US too, but the east pilots were subsidizing the loss and that won't be the case this time. The last DJ has been going on for over two years! How long will this take?
Not very long, usapa gone, case gone.
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
Not very long, usapa gone, case gone.
Sometimes I have a hard time breaking your code. Are you saying that this thing will go away when we have single carrier status?
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
Sometimes I have a hard time breaking your code. Are you saying that this thing will go away when we have single carrier status?
Of course it goes away. The only ones causing a problem are usapa, when they go the problem goes. No code simple as can be.
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