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Old 03-06-2013, 08:15 PM
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Well this kind of makes sense. Supp CC is part of the Cba at amr so the fact that Judge lane retains jurisdiction is plausible. Now usapa who has no standing in amr's bankruptcy suing the west class who also has no standing is beyond nuts (remember the west lawsuit is only after amr exits its bankruptcy case). Then again Judge Lane has already denied usapa's attempted at involving itself in amr's bankruptcy last year, he is well versed on them.
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:11 AM
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Well this kind of makes sense. Supp CC is part of the Cba at amr so the fact that Judge lane retains jurisdiction is plausible. Now usapa who has no standing in amr's bankruptcy suing the west class who also has no standing is beyond nuts (remember the west lawsuit is only after amr exits its bankruptcy case). Then again Judge Lane has already denied usapa's attempted at involving itself in amr's bankruptcy last year, he is well versed on them.
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"The merger may have sidetracked the process a bit, but JetBlue Airways president and CEO Dave Barger said Monday that his carrier is looking toward a stronger relationship with American Airlines later this year."


The stars are lining up for the grand final...DOJ will most likely request carve-outs from the "New" AA. If AOL continues with its baseless rhetoric, they might wind up as protagonists at a shotgun wedding...Just saying. It makes perfect sense..
A certain DCAir Airline scheme comes to mind. Were certain assets of the previous USA, were to be divested in order to grease the DOJ skids.
After all, the MOU is merely a handshake until the POR is approved. Anything can happen, and will happen to make this deal fit..
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
I voted for it because it was seniority neutral, usapa is on video and theyre literature saying so. Now everyone knew that the west would sue if the Nic wasn't used, why are you surprised?
They also put our an update saying there was confusion on the MOU and no pilot should vote for it thinking that is would force implementation of the Nicolau award.
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:39 AM
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They also put our an update saying there was confusion on the MOU and no pilot should vote for it thinking that is would force implementation of the Nicolau award.
Did they say it would kill the Nicolau? They went to great lengths to tell us it was neutral either way didn't they? Everyone knows usapa will never do the right thing and continue their doh jihad until apa takes over (you should be very concerned about a repeat performance by your merger committees doh or nothing stand) the fact term sheet one spelled out usapa's demise at the "earliest" time possible still says nothing to you? The west has sued no one, we simply put everyone on notice that helping usapa will get you sued. As I told you from the beginning, this was about neutering usapa and making sure they can't negotiate sli and preferably they are long gone
By the time sli arb starts.
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Did they say it would kill the Nicolau? They went to great lengths to tell us it was neutral either way didn't they? Everyone knows usapa will never do the right thing and continue their doh jihad until apa takes over (you should be very concerned about a repeat performance by your merger committees doh or nothing stand) the fact term sheet one spelled out usapa's demise at the "earliest" time possible still says nothing to you? The west has sued no one, we simply put everyone on notice that helping usapa will get you sued. As I told you from the beginning, this was about neutering usapa and making sure they can't negotiate sli and preferably they are long gone
By the time sli arb starts.
Now think about it cacti. With your opinion of USAPA, what do you think "neutral" means to them?

You don't think they will be the CBA that starts the SLI process? The ones that hand over the data?
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Old 03-07-2013, 08:11 AM
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Now think about it cacti. With your opinion of USAPA, what do you think "neutral" means to them?
Are you saying usapa is a lying cheating organization that can't be trusted? I know what it means to "them" and I don't care, it only matters what a court says it means. Look everyone is very aware of who usapa is by now.
You don't think they will be the CBA that starts the SLI process? The ones that hand over the data?
I expect them to, I also expect the apa to not accept it and run for the hills hiding until usapa is decertified. What do you think happens the second a non Nic. List is handed over?
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Originally Posted by LittleBoyBlew
"The merger may have sidetracked the process a bit, but JetBlue Airways president and CEO Dave Barger said Monday that his carrier is looking toward a stronger relationship with American Airlines later this year."


The stars are lining up for the grand final...DOJ will most likely request carve-outs from the "New" AA....
A certain DCAir Airline scheme comes to mind. Were certain assets of the previous USA, were to be divested in order to grease the DOJ skids....
Different situation....the DCAir carve-out you allude to was a result of a landslide of opposition to the proposed 2000 US/UA merge....Congress and the DOJ were taking a dim view of the whole thing and it was not going to get approved without significant divestitures. Not the case this time. Different political situation, different industry dynamics.
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Different situation....the DCAir carve-out you allude to was a result of a landslide of opposition to the proposed 2000 US/UA merge....Congress and the DOJ were taking a dim view of the whole thing and it was not going to get approved without significant divestitures. Not the case this time. Different political situation, different industry dynamics.
Also UA controlled IAD, giving the new UA DCA and IAD. And LLCs have grown at DCA and BWI.
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What do you think happens the second a non Nic. List is handed over?
I can't imagine that mattering to them other than the affect it has on the AA side. If a negotiated SLI is not in AA's best interest then I expect them to let the process roll.
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