Originally Posted by R57 relay

CM,



Nicolau used assuptions that have proven to be wrong to produce a list that greatly harmed us. We used the transition agreement to keep that from happening. It was an economic decision. Your statement that a joint SLI was required before a JCBA is incorrect. They were running in parallel and had Parker not been trying to squeeze every dime out of the east, we might have had a JCBA before the Nicolau award came out and we wouldn't have been here. But, he didn't and we had that option. The reaction from the west from us doing that is what I would call a hissy fit. Had the shoe been on the other foot, you guys would have had the same option, and a west friend of mine has admitted that you guys weren't unhappy with that provision of the TA because you thought you might have to use in event of a poor SLI for you.

You say all the west can do is let this play out. That is not true. You guys have had other choices all along. There was Wye River before USAPA was every elected. Every court case talks about negotiation over all sections of a new contract. You guys could have been more pragmatic instead of forming an "Army". You didn't, you did what you thought was right. Fine, but ALPA warned you of the risks of going down that path. My frustration is not with the west standing up for their rights, but going down a path and then complaining about the results. BOTH sides made their choices. The east has paid with remaining on the worst contract in the business thus subsiding the company. The west has paid in stagnation as their system shrunk(providing Nicolau was wrong).

Last thing. You said the Nicolau is included in the MOU. You left off a few words in your quote. Here's the whole thing:
10
h. US Airways agrees that neither this Memorandum nor the JCBA shall provide a basis for
changing the seniority lists currently in effect at US Airways other than through the process set forth in
this Paragraph 10.

Lists(plural) CURRENTLY in EFFECT. I don't see how that definition fits the Nicolau award, but I predict the definition of "in effect" will be coming to a court room near you soon.

Originally Posted by FreighterGuyNow

What relevance is the FAA certificate to the seniority lists of it's employees?

Originally Posted by cactiboss

The point is we were a single airline and operating as such for a full 3 years before a single west downgrade or furlough.

Originally Posted by lolwut

Sounds like management decided that the west operations were not sustainable and decided to shrink them. Isn't that exactly what happened? (LAS)

Wouldn't that mean that the east is now propping up the west? And you should be thankful for that?

Originally Posted by cactiboss

So when did the downgrades and furlough hit the west? Were we a single company on a single certificate by then? Why we had been a single carrier for 3 years when the first downgrade and furlough hit the west. Every court to look at this and the company itself has said the west is being harmed, that is fact you boys always gloss over.

Originally Posted by justjack

Under the "single carrier" the East was paid a different wage as well.

Originally Posted by cactiboss

So when did the downgrades and furlough hit the west? Were we a single company on a single certificate by then? Why we had been a single carrier for 3 years when the first downgrade and furlough hit the west. Every court to look at this and the company itself has said the west is being harmed, that is fact you boys always gloss over.

Originally Posted by cactiboss

There is no membership ratification required only a single contract, get it straight. You don't get to vote on the jcba.