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04-03-2014, 06:13 AM
#2992
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
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Best part is you bought a $675 necktie to do this to yourselves.
04-03-2014, 06:38 AM
#2994
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: Done with that
Posts: 191
You have absolutely no understanding of what a judge's order is. SMU Law and over thirty years experience. How bout you? None. And the $675 Liberty Necktie peddlers are capitalizing on such ignorance of many.
At any rate, since you think the plaintiffs prevailed even though they didn't, then I am sure you think the west should save their money and not bother to appeal Silver's ORDER. Really, no need to go to the 9th for appeal. Right? Wrong. You cannot even understand simple concepts. I said the East won their argument. That is why now they are filing in DC. Judge Silver gave USAPA a warning that her ruling would apply to them with their dealings with APA. So tell us WHY did USAPA file in DC? I said the West had no need to appeal because this will be moot if/when APA becomes CBA. If USAPA goes away it will be a different case, involving APA. Again you are unable to understand a simple concept and certainly not complex issues like legal liability.
The West is peddling/buying $675 ties when the litigation is over. What gives?
I have no knowledge of all this tie talk. I don't support any group- East, West or APA. I do find the conflict interesting from a legal standpoint.
At any rate, since you think the plaintiffs prevailed even though they didn't, then I am sure you think the west should save their money and not bother to appeal Silver's ORDER. Really, no need to go to the 9th for appeal. Right? Wrong. You cannot even understand simple concepts. I said the East won their argument. That is why now they are filing in DC. Judge Silver gave USAPA a warning that her ruling would apply to them with their dealings with APA. So tell us WHY did USAPA file in DC? I said the West had no need to appeal because this will be moot if/when APA becomes CBA. If USAPA goes away it will be a different case, involving APA. Again you are unable to understand a simple concept and certainly not complex issues like legal liability.
The West is peddling/buying $675 ties when the litigation is over. What gives?
I have no knowledge of all this tie talk. I don't support any group- East, West or APA. I do find the conflict interesting from a legal standpoint. You are clueless. Really clueless. And dumb as a brick. I really doubt you are a pilot. I seriously doubt you could even manage a hotel van. Talk to R57 Relay (if indeed you are a pilot), he understands what is going on and can put it on a sixth grade level for you. Ignore list.
04-03-2014, 06:47 AM
#2995
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: Done with that
Posts: 191
Still unable to understand a sentence (even has childish HaHa crap and smiley faces. That sixth grade level showing again) . Read what I wrote and try to understand. If/when APA becomes CBA this action will be moot. APA will inherit any DFR liability from USAPA. That would require the West to refile against APA. I doubt if USAPA is no longer CBA they will stay around as a legal entity.
04-04-2014, 07:55 AM
#2996
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,967
Still unable to understand a sentence (even has childish HaHa crap and smiley faces. That sixth grade level showing again) . Read what I wrote and try to understand. If/when APA becomes CBA this action will be moot. APA will inherit any DFR liability from USAPA. That would require the West to refile against APA. I doubt if USAPA is no longer CBA they will stay around as a legal entity.
Are you going to put me on your ignore list, or not?
The defendantS prevailed. The plaintiffs wasted their money. The APA will never be convicted of anything. Move along.
04-22-2014, 01:29 PM
#2997
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4/22 aol update
Today, the West class filed a notice of appeal with Judge Silver's court. You can read the notice here. This is the first step in filing an appeal and failure to file this notice within the 30 days of Judge Silver's March 31st order would preclude any appeal. The Clerk at the Ninth Circuit will receive a copy of this notice and they will initiate their process of docketing our case, and the West attorneys will soon file a notice to the Ninth Circuit which designates the parties to the appeal. Typically, there is a lapse of several weeks or even months before an appellant (the party who files the appeal) files the first brief, and it will not be until this brief is filed that the issues on appeal are known by the other parties. The West pilots in this appeal are the appellants.
Sincerely,
Leonidas, LLC
Sincerely,
Leonidas, LLC
04-22-2014, 05:05 PM
#2998
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Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: Airbus button pusher
Posts: 2,448
Today, the West class filed a notice of appeal with Judge Silver's court. You can read the notice here. This is the first step in filing an appeal and failure to file this notice within the 30 days of Judge Silver's March 31st order would preclude any appeal. The Clerk at the Ninth Circuit will receive a copy of this notice and they will initiate their process of docketing our case, and the West attorneys will soon file a notice to the Ninth Circuit which designates the parties to the appeal. Typically, there is a lapse of several weeks or even months before an appellant (the party who files the appeal) files the first brief, and it will not be until this brief is filed that the issues on appeal are known by the other parties. The West pilots in this appeal are the appellants.
Sincerely,
Leonidas, LLC
Sincerely,
Leonidas, LLC
04-22-2014, 06:59 PM
#3000
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Apa update
The “Come As You Are” Governance Project
By First Officer Neil Roghair, APA Vice President
While we don’t know the date when the National Mediation Board will make a determination on our single-carrier filing, we expect it to occur within the next several months, and there is always the possibility it will occur sooner rather than later. With this in mind, some of us have been working on the “come as you are” governance project in the likely event that at some point soon, the pilots from the former US Airways will become part of APA and fall under our Constitution and Bylaws. I want to tell you what to expect when this happens.
We will continue the membership drive we started earlier this year. This drive focuses on both new hires and US Airways pilots. To make it easier for both groups, we will continue to use the electronic membership application that our IT department and APA Membership Committee created along with the USAPA Membership Committee. To date, we have received more than 500 applications from US Airways pilots.
Members will vote on membership applications at existing APA domiciles, until domiciles are established at the new bases. A minimum of 100 APA members in good standing must exist at a domicile in order to qualify for two domicile representatives.
The APA Policy Manual will be updated to put US Airways domiciles into the APA election cycle. DCA is unique as it is an existing APA domicile, so because we just held a DCA domicile election, that base will not have another election until the May 1, 2016, term. Upon single-carrier determination, our current DCA domicile representatives will begin representing the former US Airways pilots as soon as they are voted in as members.
CLT, PHX and PHL will be placed in our existing C&B election categories (A, B, C or D), each of which has specific terms of office for chairman and vice chairman. The APA president will initially appoint two interim representatives at each domicile until elections for chairman and vice chairman can be held. If fewer than six months remain in the applicable term of office, the elections will be held at a domicile meeting. If more than six months remain, elections will be conducted through the BallotPoint election system used for regularly scheduled elections. In both cases, the elected representatives will serve the remainder of the unfinished term of office.
For example, if the current terms of office for Category A domiciles expire Oct. 31, 2014, and CLT is established as a domicile July 1, 2015, and placed in Category A, the elections for chairman and vice chairman would take place at a domicile meeting because fewer than six months remain in the terms of office. By contrast, if PHX and PHL are placed in Category D, the terms of which do not expire until Oct. 31, 2015, the elections for chairman and vice chairman would take place through the BallotPoint election system because more than six months are left in the terms of office.
Once new representatives are added, the APA board of directors will grow from 16 members to 22.
The key administrative step will be processing membership applications and voting on them at our domicile meetings. We are working to get a head start on that process.
The APA membership application can be accessed via a link on the right side of the APA public home page or directly at mbrapp.alliedpilots.org. Feel free to share the link with pilots you know at US Airways and encourage them to get started on the process so they can participate in APA elections and benefits as soon as possible after the single-carrier filing.
Our staff and pilot volunteers are working diligently to prepare to support all members of what will soon become the world’s largest independent pilot union.
By First Officer Neil Roghair, APA Vice President
While we don’t know the date when the National Mediation Board will make a determination on our single-carrier filing, we expect it to occur within the next several months, and there is always the possibility it will occur sooner rather than later. With this in mind, some of us have been working on the “come as you are” governance project in the likely event that at some point soon, the pilots from the former US Airways will become part of APA and fall under our Constitution and Bylaws. I want to tell you what to expect when this happens.
We will continue the membership drive we started earlier this year. This drive focuses on both new hires and US Airways pilots. To make it easier for both groups, we will continue to use the electronic membership application that our IT department and APA Membership Committee created along with the USAPA Membership Committee. To date, we have received more than 500 applications from US Airways pilots.
Members will vote on membership applications at existing APA domiciles, until domiciles are established at the new bases. A minimum of 100 APA members in good standing must exist at a domicile in order to qualify for two domicile representatives.
The APA Policy Manual will be updated to put US Airways domiciles into the APA election cycle. DCA is unique as it is an existing APA domicile, so because we just held a DCA domicile election, that base will not have another election until the May 1, 2016, term. Upon single-carrier determination, our current DCA domicile representatives will begin representing the former US Airways pilots as soon as they are voted in as members.
CLT, PHX and PHL will be placed in our existing C&B election categories (A, B, C or D), each of which has specific terms of office for chairman and vice chairman. The APA president will initially appoint two interim representatives at each domicile until elections for chairman and vice chairman can be held. If fewer than six months remain in the applicable term of office, the elections will be held at a domicile meeting. If more than six months remain, elections will be conducted through the BallotPoint election system used for regularly scheduled elections. In both cases, the elected representatives will serve the remainder of the unfinished term of office.
For example, if the current terms of office for Category A domiciles expire Oct. 31, 2014, and CLT is established as a domicile July 1, 2015, and placed in Category A, the elections for chairman and vice chairman would take place at a domicile meeting because fewer than six months remain in the terms of office. By contrast, if PHX and PHL are placed in Category D, the terms of which do not expire until Oct. 31, 2015, the elections for chairman and vice chairman would take place through the BallotPoint election system because more than six months are left in the terms of office.
Once new representatives are added, the APA board of directors will grow from 16 members to 22.
The key administrative step will be processing membership applications and voting on them at our domicile meetings. We are working to get a head start on that process.
The APA membership application can be accessed via a link on the right side of the APA public home page or directly at mbrapp.alliedpilots.org. Feel free to share the link with pilots you know at US Airways and encourage them to get started on the process so they can participate in APA elections and benefits as soon as possible after the single-carrier filing.
Our staff and pilot volunteers are working diligently to prepare to support all members of what will soon become the world’s largest independent pilot union.
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