SewerPipeDvr

I believe Attorney Siegal disagrees with you. I suspect he is paid 900.00 per hour. You know more than him? You should get a different job. He even gets to sleep at home each night.

SewerPipeDvr

Been out the business over 34 years. Just can't keep up with all these newbies.

crzipilot

Wasn't it Siegal that came up with the idea that the West could be a 3rd party at the SLI table, argueing that in Silver's court?

Pretty sure he is the first one to broach that subject and presented all sorts of CAB cases to back up his theory.

How did Silver rule on that idea from the 900.00/hr attorney?

FreighterGuyNow

Thats's the problem isn't it? The Arbitrators won't be on any fact finding mission - they will use what's put before them.



"APA seeks a further declaration that, following USAPA’s decertification as the collective bargaining representative for legacy US Airways pilots and its replacement by APA as the collective bargaining representative for all US Airways and American pilots, USAPA may only participate in the MOU seniority integration process if and to the extent deemed appropriate by APA."


So, [if] the APA decides it's ok then USAPA can participate.

Then, [if] USAPA can participate then APA decides to what extent.

Or, they may bag it entirely putting forth whatever the heck APA wants on the USAPA pilots behalf and we are excluded entirely from the process?

The Arbitration panel is going to come up with same result than if a second adversarial party is involved?

SewerPipeDvr

Your error is thinking his main purpose was to allow the West a seat. That was just a step. He is representing Parker. Parker told him what he wants (at THAT time- a quick marriage). He has been playing chess. Several moves ahead of what most here are thinking. Also what Parker wanted then might NOT be what Parker wants now, so strategy and direction might have changed. Judge Silver did describe exactly what is going down right now. She is not as stupid as many on here think. Go read Siegal's response. He demolished every point USAPA tries to make. Again I think the Judge in DC (although I do not know his methods) will send it back to the Executive branch. No Fed Court for USAPA on this. Back to the grievance for this. USAPA's arguments are weak at best. I think they will quickly (in legal time) lose.

PurpleTurtle

Parker's strategy has always been to keep the pilots divided, just like any MBA graduate of Harvard would tell you. It's just more exciting for him when he actually persuades some useful idiots that he is siding with them.

SewerPipeDvr

Awkward sentence. A arbitration panel will not allow one side to "steamroll" the other. That is their purpose. Not going to happen. They are not there to give one side or the other what they want, they are there to make a fair judgement. Again they do not depend of each sides dog and pony show. They will dig out facts. And few directly involved can see clearly so outside minds are necessary.

I have never taken "a side" in this East/West fight. I will say I suspect Nic got most right but making a judgement without all details is not a good idea. A few problems but it is what it was. A lot of damage has been done to the piloting profession over the past years starting before Frank Lorenzo came along. You are smart men and women but you better come together. Or you will become the "regional pilots of the future". Management has big bucks and politicians. All you have are each other.

SewerPipeDvr

I disagree. He does not give two whits about a pilot, just profits. I think his strategy was to keep cost cheap as possible. Divided pilots was just a method given to him (by pilots) to use. It worked well. But it might not work well agian or in the future. I think APA wants to cut that off at the start. They know what is going on with regional pilots. They don't want that to get a toe hold in the legacy ops.

FreighterGuyNow

Each side will present conflicting statements

Not if only one side appears before the Arbitration panel.

Like a divorce action excluding one spouse from the proceedings. Oh but don't worry, the remaining one will be sure and fully represent the other.

cactiboss

The irony is amazing. *****ing about the apa doing to you what you did to the west? LOL