R57 relay

I'm sure the wordmeister will be hear soon berating cacti for using a contract provision in a manner that it was not intend for. The west reinstatement right was in place when all equipment paid the same. Now the 757 pays more and he used it to make more money than those senior to him. Flag on the play!

Based on his previous posts did you really expect that Cacti would see the irony?

wiggy

Yeah, right, these little monotonously repeated phrases seem to be your favorite little pet...It reminds me of a recalcitrant little brat defying his parents "I don't have to eat my porridge, because it doesn't say anywhere that I have to!" (trust me son, it's for your own good)

So PT, you moral giant among men, you....show me in writing where it says I have to help little old ladies across the street, or show me the document that says you have to be kind to puppies....I don't know Turd(le), is there a legal document somewhere that contains the phrase "because it's the right thing to do" or "we should keep our agreements"? or even "treat others as you would like to be treated"?...

No, I guess not...yet somehow, they form the basis on which we can define ourselves as human beings...and though a lot of people question it, you're likely a member of that class....Yep, and just possibly purple, there are more important concepts and principles out here in that great big world than the myopic, greedy giddiness one lone little Rat feels when he anticipates sitting in the left seat of an E-190 or right seat of an A-330...

Hey Turdt, ever see the movie "King Rat" about POWs in a Japanese Prisoner camp? Suffice it to say you must not have been a military pilot...I would love to see you go through SERE school...yeah, you'd do well there...with your instinctive feel for that environment, you'd be a regular poster child for exemplary behavior...

R57 relay

Turd? Really. That indicates an emotional connection to this thing. I don't ever remember seeing a guy that drives a Honda yell "Ford!" or "Chevy!" with spittle coming out of his mouth. Perhaps you've been less than honest about your involvement in this issue?

Anyway, are you ready to chastise cacti for bragging about his new bid that he gained from contract provisions used in circumstances other than than those foreseen?

I'm waiting, integrity demands it.

BTW, weren't you the one that put this in a moral context?

Wiskey Driver

He is a hell of a writer that much is for certain. The word that filtered to the MEC committees was that there was to be separate CONTRACT ratification. This in no way was to hinder the SLI because we all knew that it was binding arbitration.

The east very cleverly used this provision by refusing to negotiate and pulled their committee from the process. Now this could not be done on its face because that would be a violation so they decided that since the company took away pos space travel they would use this a reason to not negotiate in good faith while they put together usapa.

Usapa takes over and they went about the business of opening up each and every section of what had already been agreed to in the joint negotiations. This was part of their so called 3 prong approach to avoiding what they had agreed to in arbitration.

Now I have to leave as I have a trip here in a couple of hours but in conclusion, usapa's move was extremely low rent and that should be taken into account when the new set of arbitrators takes this case on. Usapa has left a mess that will never in our history be forgotten. Realy the fact that you even support this behavior screams volumes about just who and what you are. I can not and never will respect a person that would make a deal then not honor it.

WD at AWA

cactiboss

The TA. BTW what airline were third listers hired at? You see your mental defect is you don't realize you were hired at usairways after the merger. Like I told r57, if we aren't a single airline why do we have to pay usaoa dues?
Why do I legally have to pay dues to usapa if we are separate airlines?

Because r57 asked me if I got my seat back. "back" btw means I held that seat before many years ago.

R57 relay

Bottom line-the Nic could not be used absent a JCBA. Period. It didn't matter if it was because the east used the provision or the west. You know your group would have done the same thing, and in fact you did with the MOU, or tried to. You voted for it saying it made the TA complete and implemented the Nic. You were trying to use an agreement for something other than it's intended purpose. You just failed to understand nullity.

cactiboss

And that is why we hired Freund, to show the MB panel the facts. To show what a goat rope the sli will be if the Nic. is not used. Again, even in your dream scenario of third listers going ahead of west junior pilots you forget we were a single airline the day every third lister was hired.

R57 relay

We aren't separate airlines. We are one airline, with two seniority lists and two fleets. USAPA is your CBA, and you are required to pay dues.

Our parent company is the AAL Group. Do we pay APA dues? No. Are we on their seniority list? No. Simple really.

cactiboss

Man you guys are delusional.

R57 relay

Are you going to give that extra 757 pay to the guy that should have gotten the bid?