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02-16-2014, 07:28 AM
#2711
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,967
So where should third listers be? If you believe the east has only one list and we are separate airlines why do I have to pay usapa dues? Quite the mess you scabs created. Eastie scab thinks me getting my 757 captain seat back is bad for me, what horrible scum you beasties are.
A2: You pay dues so you don't get fired.
P.S. Pilot to pilot... Why to you want us to know you had a 75 bid, since all your planes pay the same?
02-16-2014, 07:30 AM
#2712
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 1,353
Not really, but you have missed the point thus far, why stop now.
It was the original agreement, the TA that USAPA honored that allowed all of this. I don't know why that is so hard to grasp.
I guess that low rent move allows you and the rest of the trash to sleep well at night. The TA allowed us not to honor what we agreed to so and we want others to agree with us on that. In our world we dont have abide by what we agree to but we fully expect other to abide by their agreements. Ahhh the term hypocrite comes to mind here for most readers who are glued to the uspapa tit.
BTW, I expect the APA to honor the MOU and stay out of it because that seems to be the direction they are going and, IMHO, best for all of you. It allows us to beat our brains out while you prepare and keep you hands clean.
As usual with you, there is the missing of what is really happening. The company what you GONE, the west pilots what you GONE and now the APA which will not carry your flag for you wants you GONE! Not going to predict a thing here because that only encourages your low rent comments and behavior. Time will tell here within the month which way the winds are blowing, one way ensures peace and the other guarantees a court room visit.
On another note, you do know that US got LOA 93 a little less than a year before the AW/US merger, right?
It was the original agreement, the TA that USAPA honored that allowed all of this. I don't know why that is so hard to grasp.
I guess that low rent move allows you and the rest of the trash to sleep well at night. The TA allowed us not to honor what we agreed to so and we want others to agree with us on that. In our world we dont have abide by what we agree to but we fully expect other to abide by their agreements. Ahhh the term hypocrite comes to mind here for most readers who are glued to the uspapa tit.
BTW, I expect the APA to honor the MOU and stay out of it because that seems to be the direction they are going and, IMHO, best for all of you. It allows us to beat our brains out while you prepare and keep you hands clean.
As usual with you, there is the missing of what is really happening. The company what you GONE, the west pilots what you GONE and now the APA which will not carry your flag for you wants you GONE! Not going to predict a thing here because that only encourages your low rent comments and behavior. Time will tell here within the month which way the winds are blowing, one way ensures peace and the other guarantees a court room visit.
On another note, you do know that US got LOA 93 a little less than a year before the AW/US merger, right?
WD at AWA
02-16-2014, 07:31 AM
#2713
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Your free to go back to your terminal bickering with west pilots. At least there, you'll have an audience who gives a damn. Going to let you have the last post on this as I think you need and want it. Consider it a gift from a "career Eagle loser".
02-16-2014, 07:31 AM
#2714
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,967
But before any of "this", wasn't there an agreement by USAPA to BINDING arbitration ?
That has been MY point all along, but why stop missing it now ?
I'm afraid "we" will never be clean, because soon we will be one, but this filth will continue in perpetuity at least until most of the East has retired. As one "union" of pilots, we are going to be a complete mess.
That has been MY point all along, but why stop missing it now ?
I'm afraid "we" will never be clean, because soon we will be one, but this filth will continue in perpetuity at least until most of the East has retired. As one "union" of pilots, we are going to be a complete mess.
02-16-2014, 07:33 AM
#2715
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2011
Position: A320 Capt
Posts: 5,299
So where should third listers be? If you believe the east has only one list and we are separate airlines why do I have to pay usapa dues? Quite the mess you scabs created. Eastie scab thinks me getting my 757 captain seat back is bad for me, what horrible scum you beasties are.
You never know what you are going to get when you go to arbitration. It worked great for you guys last time, so you don't fear it. You should. You have had two different guys from outside our mess tell you that they thought if we go to arbitration that the panel will take what is in front of them today, not what happened 8 years ago, not "yeah, but!", just the facts.
You guys argued that very successfully in the last merger. Nicolau ignored the "yeah, buts!" from our side and took what was in front of him. He then slotted by equipment. If the arbitration panel does the same method with you, with separate lists and your fleet, I don't think you will like it.
At the risk of ruining his fun, I don't think PT is a 3rd lister. I think he is pointing out certain people's hypocrisy and having fun in the process. If we are using separate lists, the 3rd listers are in fact at a higher relative position than guys on the west with a much higher DOH. Funny how things change in this world, huh?
You really should drop the scab stuff. It's not productive and it makes you look like more of an idiot.
Eastie congratulated you, but was pointing out a few facts. Under the east bid method, you most likely wouldn't have gotten your bid back, someone senior would have taken it with the pay differential and you would probably still be a F/O. So a contract provision benefited YOU and you and are crowing about it. Imagine that.
Funny thing about that reinstatement rights provision. When your boys were running for office, I talked to Koontz quite a bit. I asked him what they were willing to do with the Nic and he said nothing. I meantioned that YOUR reinstatement right contract provision could help and he said "Oh no, we couldn't do that. That would mitigate the Nic." Oh, so it's a good thing when applied to the west, but not to an east guy that held that seat when you were a junior F/O. Got it. The integrity knocks me off my feet sometimes.
02-16-2014, 07:35 AM
#2716
Banned
Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: A330
Posts: 1,043
Sorry, not gonna make that. Too much fresh powder awaits and more on the way. Your free to go back to your terminal bickering with west pilots. At least there, you'll have an audience who gives a damn.
Going to let you have the last post on this as I think you need and want it. Consider it a gift from an "career Eagle loser".
Your free to go back to your terminal bickering with west pilots. At least there, you'll have an audience who gives a damn. Going to let you have the last post on this as I think you need and want it. Consider it a gift from an "career Eagle loser".
I never called u a loser and the . goes inside the quotes.
02-16-2014, 07:36 AM
#2717
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2011
Position: A320 Capt
Posts: 5,299
Fess up WD, you wanted the separate ratification provision because you thought you would have to use it and you would have, just like we did. Integrity demands that you just be honest.
02-16-2014, 07:39 AM
#2718
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2011
Position: A320 Capt
Posts: 5,299
Typical cacti, wants the good of a deal but not the bad. I bet he is making all kinds of new friends on the AWAPPA board.
02-16-2014, 07:49 AM
#2719
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,967
Ah, but they don't now PT! Due to the MOU, in combination with the west contract provision that hasn't changed yet, Cacti was allowed to jump more senior guys and take a captain bid that pays more. Yeah, that's right, due to the MOU west 757 captain now get paid more than A320 captains. I guess that is one of the "benefits for the group" things that Judge Silver used as a LUP for the MOU!
Typical cacti, wants the good of a deal but not the bad. I bet he is making all kinds of new friends on the AWAPPA board.
Typical cacti, wants the good of a deal but not the bad. I bet he is making all kinds of new friends on the AWAPPA board.
More than likely he is the guy in the video below....
"pilot to pilot.. You know why I hate every single one of youse guys? You know why I hate you guys? The day before the merger I was 16 numbers below the most junior 75 captain and we had 22 aircraft on order. I was gonna be a 75 captain!!"
Start video at 1:30... "You know why I hate every single one of youse guys?!..."
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N66EvBBj5tQ
02-16-2014, 07:54 AM
#2720
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,967
Be careful with the red type. Your creative writing instructor will go all CIA on you. That and the grammar.
Fess up WD, you wanted the separate ratification provision because you thought you would have to use it and you would have, just like we did. Integrity demands that you just be honest.
Fess up WD, you wanted the separate ratification provision because you thought you would have to use it and you would have, just like we did. Integrity demands that you just be honest.
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