Originally Posted by Puros

Their twisting of logic and reality is beyond the realm of fiction,

Originally Posted by wiggy

Thanks WD,

Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver

Welcome to what has been the west's nightmare for years. I don't think the APA will allow this to fester. Comparison is all that is needed and people need look no further than what ever they come up with and then compare that against the NIC. The east feels that to get by all they have to say is that we will never reach a point where a document(s) could be compared. We can look at where east and west were on the nic list and then compare that to the new SLI and if west pilots are pushed much further down as a result then that would equal harm and that returns everyone to the courts.

The APA has zero interest in being given usapa's mess to try and clean up. This is far from over however I do feel that it can be over and with no lawsuits. One way is for the APA to recognize the only seniority we have which is the one that came from binding arbitration. The other way is to have a west committee there to advocate the west position. I dont much care for option two but it is a way to avoid law suits in the future.

WD at AWA

Originally Posted by R57 relay

You guys have tried to make a complex set of circumstances seem simple, and it wasn't. Sort of like saying WWI started because Germany invaded Belgium.

Originally Posted by Puros

Forgive me for asking, but why is this issue complex?
Did you or did you not agree to arbitration? Yes/ no
Did you or did you not have a completed arbitration? Yes/ no

So, what's your problem?

Originally Posted by R57 relay

You should live up to the the last agreement you signed, the MOU. Integrity demands it.

Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver

Have you lived up to the first?? Like the man said there is no argument that you can make that justifies what the east has done. The mess that has been made as a result of the east actions will be cleaned up how?? The pilots hired after the fact that are sitting in capt seat while west pilots with 15yrs are sitting right seat gets fixed HOW?

Everything you folks in the east touch turns to $hit and now the answer coming from you is " the ta made me do it". Dont start talking to me about living up to obligations until YOU YOURSELF live up to yours.

WD at AWA

Originally Posted by R57 relay

There were a lot events that led to, and allowed this to happen-that's complicated. But in reality it is simple. Yes, we agreed to be bound by the ALPA merger policy ONCE the TA was COMPLETED. It never was and was made a nullity by the MOU that we all agreed to. That's what you guys leave out when you say "Binding is binding!"

The first thing that was binding was the TA.

If the west case is so simple to understand, why have they lost the last 3 times in court?
So what's your problem?

Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver

No there was NOT. The east begged for and got the very arbitration they wanted. The results come out and then the east pulls its negotiations committee members so that we would never reach a contract. During this same time the east thus that low life stephen bradford went about the business of setting up usapa. The east very artfully has stalled and stalled never giving the company a list it could accept so it became status quo.

The ninth over turned based on ripeness and the east learned right there that so long as they never reached a contract they never would enact that list.

The east is low rent by every measure and has gotten away with this by the slimmest of margins. Now lets see if the APA will carry your usapa flag for you and honor your wishes to revamp your sorry careers at the expense of the America West pilots. Do you think they will?

WD at AWA