PurpleTurtle

Worry? I'm starting to feel guilty for mocking you all. Even a heartless guy should have started to feel sorry by now. At least Marty might have less of a conscience than I do.

R57 relay

"Here, US Airways is not asking the Court to change its ruling that the West Pilots do not have the right to separate participation in the McCaskill-Bond seniority-integration process in light of USAPA’s current status as the certified collective bargaining representative for all US Airways (Eastand West) pilots. Rather, US Airways is asking the Court only to modify its Order, through the deletion of Footnote 15, so that the Order cannot be construed to prohibit the
APA – once it becomes the single certified collective bargaining representative for all pre-merger US Airways and pre-merger American pilots – from creating and delegating authority to merger committees to represent the disparate seniority interests of pre-merger US Airways and pre-merger American pilots."

Where in there does it say pre-merger west pilots? Seems to me that the whole thing is about saying "Hey Judge, don't lay this thing in our lap after SCS! The MOU talks about separate committees for US and AA!" They do talk about all the different committees in the RP merger, so maybe they are proposing that. I would be glad for the west to have their own committee if they agree to the MOU that abandons the Nic.

R57 relay

I feel kinda bad. A little, well maybe.

PurpleTurtle

Careful.. Lying is worse than mocking!

cactiboss

Typical beastie. You want the west to have a committee but we cant advocate our position? lol

cactiboss

Yeah that's what it says, NOT. The company is saying that the order excluding the west shouldn't apply to APA and for her to clarify that. Go read Doc 300 and see what the APA has already proposed.

R57 relay

Umm, that's a cut and paste from the document 300. The company is saying that the ruling that the APA is responsible for it all shouldn't apply. Like I said before, they want their hands clean.

As I said above, the company and APA seem to want east/west/APA merger committees. And again, as I said before, if we are using 3 lists maybe it should be that way. Along with 3 fleets.

Have you guys REALLY thought that through? I can't seem to get you to bite on my previous bait. What is you place on your list and your fleet? Today, not back in your glory years as the lowest paid 757 captain in the US.



"And APA does not contemplate
such a result – to the contrary, in accordance
with MOU Paragraph10(f), it proposed a
Seniority Integration Protocol Agreement
for the US Airways/American seniority
integration which would mandate as follows:
“Effective on and after the date that
the NMB determines the representation
of the combined pilot craft and class at New Am
erican, the Organization, if any, designated by the NMB as the duly designated representative of the combined craft and class (the “Organi
zation”) shall designate such Merger Committees as are required to represent, for seniority integration purposes,
the pilots on the pre-merger seniority lists in the combined craft and class.Consistent with the MOU, this Protocol Agreement, the duty of fair
representation, and the Organization’s other legal obligations, the
Organization shall delegate to such Merger Committees authority to act
for and on behalf of the pilots on their respective pre-merger seniority
lists for purposes of concluding an integrated pilot seniority list.”

So, if it works this way we have 3 merger committees. That certainly means we go to arbitration. There you will argue for the Nic and we will show the panel how you sued because the document, that we are now following, abandonded the Nic and USAPA was found to not be in violation of it's DFR.

Maybe that is the best solution.

cactusmike

What you posted is correct, since, indeed, it is from the document. However, the intent of what the company and the APA are doing is not immediately clear. You need to talk to a negotiator to see what has been proposed.

The APA wants three parties to this, east/west/nAAtive. USAPA wants two, USAPA and APA. Siegal wants 15 taken out so there is no ambiguity in the APA setting up the three committees.

Yes, our guys will propose the Nicolau. Then it will be up to the arbitrators to decide if it will be used. You have this mistaken idea that we gave up the Nic in the MOU. We did not and if that was the case it would not have received as many yes votes. The Nicolau does not go away because of the MOU, the MOU only said that the existing list(s) will not be changed. The Nicolau is an existing list, although it exists only as a legal abstract right now. But since it was accepted by the company it still exists. It was not modified by the MOU. It is still in play.

Lottery tickets? You guys cashed yours when you didn't liquidate and you have been cashing them ever since. It's time we got our winnings out of the last merger. And yes, you do need to wear your "acquired button". I will wear my "hired".

Adios. Time to go surf some waves here in SoCal.

cactiboss

You aren't getting it. The west will show up with the Nic. and the east will show up with whatever they want. The MOU DID NOT do away with the Nic, it simply removed the east west SLI issue to the MB process. You don't have a problem with 3 neutral MB arbitrators deciding the NIc or east's proposal for how airways pilots are ordered do you?

P.S. The minute the apa becomes your bargaining agent they can appoint whatever committees they choose and there is nothing you can do about it until after sli because of the case law you established.

R57 relay

If the MOU didn't do away with the Nic then why did you sue claiming that it abandoned the Nic?

If the west can use MB to implement a scheme that was never used, what's to stop the TWA pilots from trying to right their perceived(not taking a stand, don't know enough, but know how they felt) wrong?