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Old 01-10-2014, 07:04 PM
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Old 01-10-2014, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by r57 relay
uh, no.

unless it's first name.
wd at awa
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Old 01-10-2014, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
I sure was wrong about Silver, that's correct. Glad you realize this is a "punt"
If you read Judge Silver carefully you will notice something important. She found that USAPA was not guilty of abandoning a duty to use the Nicolau award.

She assumed the West claim that USAPA had a duty to use the Nicolau award.... Don't miss the gravity of that assumption. It was allowable for her to make that assumption because it magnified the Plaintiff's failure to meet the burden of proof, even with the benefit of an assumption that was not even validated.

That implicit assumption would not be valid to find USAPA guilty... i.e. proving the duty to use the Nic is a necessary element to carry the plaintiff's burden. The fact the plaintiff couldn't cross home plate even after Silver assumed they could start at 2nd base.... well you get the idea.

To carry the burden of proof, the court cannot accept Marty's wish for the court to implicitly assume that USAPA has an obligation to use the Nic. In the next lawsuit (you know some of you guys can't resist) Marty will have to prove the 2005 TA is still in force, rather than a nullity.
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Old 01-10-2014, 07:13 PM
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You are the big winner, better enjoy it while it lasts.
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Old 01-10-2014, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
You are the big winner, better enjoy it while it lasts.
Further litigation is not feasible. Not that it won't happen. But the donations to AOL have already been in decline. There is no point in wasting any more money. It was a noble cause.
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Old 01-10-2014, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle
Further litigation is not feasible. Not that it won't happen. But the donations to AOL have already been in decline. There is no point in wasting any more money. It was a noble cause.
Well let's see if you get your doh.
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Old 01-10-2014, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
Well let's see if you get your doh.

The vast majority of all pilots at AA and USAir fully expect a UAL/CAL type result. Lets see if the APA and USAPA can do that the easy way.
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Old 01-10-2014, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle
The vast majority of all pilots at AA and USAir fully expect a UAL/CAL type result. Lets see if the APA and USAPA can do that the easy way.
the west fully expects the Nicolau to be used, if it isn't, the apa as our bargaining agent at the time of MB arb will be sued.
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Old 01-10-2014, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
the west fully expects the Nicolau to be used, if it isn't, the apa as our bargaining agent at the time of MB arb will be sued.
Knock yourself out. Lawyers need to eat too.
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Old 01-10-2014, 08:48 PM
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This afternoon Judge Roslyn Silver issued her decision in our law suit against USAPA. You can read the order here. We highly encourage all pilots to read the 22 page order in its entirety. Unfortunately, the Court did not grant us the relief requested, but the Court did find the following:

- Our DFR question is difficult to answer without a final seniority regime to compare against the Nicolau;

- Only a bargaining agent can participate in the McCaskill-Bond process;

- Judge Silver has serious doubts whether USAPA will fairly and adequately represent the West;

- Judge Silver ruled that USAPA will not be allowed to participate in the seniority integration proceedings once the NMB certifies the APA as the exclusive bargaining agent.

We will provide a more detailed update after we have more thoroughly analyzed today's order. This has been and continues to be quite the Odyssey for all US Airways pilots. The West is still here because of your unwavering support. We will close by saying this: the seniority dispute is far from over.

Take care and fly safe.

Sincerely,

Leonidas, LLC
Send money. Keep hope alive. Then send more money. No really. We still need more of your money.

This "Odyssey" is expensive but its one wild ride, and if you don't pay us the "Odyssey" isn't as exciting.

Some lawyers and televangelists are a blight on the nation. Healthy, well fed blights.
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