Wiskey Driver

Eagle he has no idea what he is talking about which is why you and the APA would jump all over it. They dont have the ability to see past right now here today which is why usapa is a laughing stock epic failure. This is why usapa must be killed off and in rapid fashion.

WD at AWA

R57 relay

I agree with you there. I really don't worry about the Nic one way or another, I just like poking the zoo animals here. What worries me is while we are fighting an 8 year old battle the APA is free to plan for the next one.

I wish it wasn't a "battle", but that's just the way it is.

R57 relay

Back in your cage!

R57 relay

The problem with delay for US pilots is that I believe the company is going to use your WB orders to retire our 767s and fly our long haul routes. That was what I was talking about when we were talking about credit for aircraft on order a while back. The whole order/active picture changed when we merged.

crzipilot

haven't been keeping up with the orders etc.....but as everyone knows. An order does not equal growth. how many airframes will be retired from AA fleet.

One thing parker loves to do is keep the number of airframes the same, but increase the seats. He pulled that number at the beginning saying he was pulling down capacity by X amount, but increased seats on the down low so it wasn't that big of a decrease.

Who knows how it will all turn out. Personally would love to see all those orders as growth.....no matter who flies it or what not. Growth is good one way or the other

Wiskey Driver

Funny thing about that statement is that the very prison you and usapa envisioned is the same one in which you have resided. Sure you have circumvented a valid arbitration award for years but at what cost to your own troops? Loa 93 strangled the life out of the people that were already captains making that horrid $124/hr and fo's on narrow body 121's at $85/hr.

No sir I would no go around claiming that anyone on the east was not also caged so in essence climb on back up here with me!

WD at AWA

eaglefly

The "paper" merger isn't a good litmus for fleet integration (just like pilot integration). I believe we will remain seperate operating certificates for quite a while and your side has only a handful of widebodies anyway.

Until the operating certificates are combined, I don't see the 787 coming to the US Airways side or available to US Airways pilots even if there wasn't a fence. Siphoning AA orders to the US Airways side would jump the gun on the SLI and has the ability to prematurely harm AA pilots career expectations, but I expect USAPA to advocate poaching our orders for their benefit asap, so nothing new there. I'm confident the bull will continue to kick everything over within reach, ****ing off everybody as it's in the bulls nature and it only knows how to be a bull.

Until our operating certificates are combined, the SLI is complete and we fly and train together, AA orders/options should stay AA and US Airways orders/options should stay US Airways. Since you responded to this post twice with a time delay and bring this up, obviously this causes great concern. I know many over there are itching to burrow their snouts as deep as possible into the massive AA order/option trough, but that may be awhile depending on how long it takes to spear the bull which is destined to continue its dance.

Again, personally I don't mind watching it twirl around kicking up its hind quarters and slinging snot for another 2-3 years. The later we start the fence clock, I think the happier most at AA will be.

R57 relay

Not enough difference between LOA 93 and Kirby to go for it. I might be better off with it, but doubt it as I think the Kirby would have come at too high a price.

Whack!

eaglefly

Oh absolutely, most of the orders were originally slated to replace ALL the S80's and virtually all the 75/76 fleet. Parker now says many of the 757's and some of the 767-300's will be here for years to come. The S80's were supposed to be gone within 5 years and at least half the fleet is now slated for repainting (I talked to one of the paintshop guys and they had a contract for 50) and should still be here for years as well, so I believe a significant portion of the orders will be for modest domestic expansion and widebody International fleet will expand greatly with new 777/787's.

Don't know what US side hiring is going to be, but we're supposed to do 50/month indefinately and that could be 1500 before we even merge certificates, train together and are under one list.

I'm "bullish" on USAPA defining at least the next 2 and possibly 3 years of our pilot nuptuals.

R57 relay

Pretty sure the MOU says all AA aircraft and ordered aircraft will be flown by AA pilots and vs versa. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about management parking US aircraft, taking the hit on the MOU pay guarantee and using AA aircraft and crews. Say DFW-GIG-CLT-GIG-DFW. If you can fly that long of a trip.

I don't think we have enough aircraft on order to do it the other way around with US flying AA routes, long haul anyway. I agree with you that delay would favor AA pilots. My original comment was TIC, but at least we do have the greatest retirements over the next couple of years to soften the blow. The west? Just dangling in the breeze.