R57 relay

Like how much you donated to AOL? Between you guys and USAPA infighting, we're screwed.

Third listers-You should get your own representation.

ackattacker

Seeing as how the judge hasn't ordered anything, this doesn't seem like anything for anybody to get too excited about. Many folks I've talked to on the East fully expected the West to get a seat at the table, since they have been previously ruled a protected class. So the company is apparently anticipating Judge Silver to continue in that vein, which is hardly a surprise. The company has been floating the 3-way negotiation plan for some time.

Now, if Judge Silver was to order that a full DFR has occured and the Nicolau must be implemented, then there would be no 3-way negotiation and little point in the West having a seat. So one could interpret this move as the company is NOT expecting the Nicalou to be Judge Silver's ruling.

In short, while this does represent a positive development for the West class, it is not at all a victory for the "Nic or nothing" crowd. And it's not any legal ruling, just the company planning for what they anticipate the process will be.

ackattacker

Also, I find the language of this company statement intriguing.

They refer to the West Class as a "party" to the "McCaskill-Bond process".

Implying, as many on the East have claimed, that the language of the MOU throws away the TA and requires that the existing 3 seniority lists be merged according to the M-B process despite the fact that the East/West merger occurred before the M-B law. This gives some credence to the East claim that the Nic is dead because it lives in the TA. The M-B process is an entirely new SLI process.

It also seems that having the 3 parties at a table, will never reach consensus during negotations. So onward to the arbitrators which is where the West's final hope for the Nic will live.

cactiboss

No, it means your future union (apa) and your company, have given the west a seat at the table regardless of what Silver rules. No legal ruling needed.

ackattacker

It's more than just a "seat at the table". It's a "party to the process".

Will be very interesting to see what the West claims when they actually sit at that table.

If they say "Nic is the list", it's basically continuing the claim that they are not actually part of the M-B process; because the process is illegitimate and "there is only one list". As soon as they begin negotiating anything, they will be branded traitors by many on the West. If they don't negotiate, what power do they have? Just the power to stop negotiations and force it to arbitration.

CanoePilot

I honestly hope the west forces it to go to arbitration. From what I've seen I don't feel USAPA will represent us third listers and I would so far as to say they probably wouldn't hesitate to throw us under the bus if they could make a deal with APA.

The Drizzle

I believe it will go to arbitration and it won't be anything but USAPA's madness that forces it there. Plan on being below everybody else, I don't think 3rd listers register on anybody's radar screen as being worth representing. On the other hand, assuming a no-growth/no-shrink situation 3rd listers' career expectations remain nearly static regardless of where we wind up.

EMBFlyer

I agree with both of you. From the stuff I've seen with the BPR, USAPA has no interest in 3rd Listers. Where's our seat at the table?

CanoePilot

I think in the eyes of those making the decision we'll be slotted in with AA furloughs and Eagle flows. I think those hired after the announcement in feb of 2013 will be shafted. I think those hired before the feb 2013 announcement will make out about where they should on a slotted list or ratio.

People forget "thrid listers" go all the way back to 2005. We're talking about 500 pilots or 10% of the Usa list.

But I agree, I consider USAPA to be my enemy in this especially the crazy phl and clt reps both old and new. For crying out lout we have a freedom a-Lister in there, that right there shows a lack of character and integrity in my book.

cactiboss

East logic at work. Lol.