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12-04-2013, 06:06 AM
#1941
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Paragraph 4 does away with the 2005 TA, and without that TA there is no legal basis to use the Nic. "Final and Binding" sounds melodious but that song is sung only by the 2005 TA. Come Monday that song is over.
I am not so sure the company need to care if the West gets a seat. They just need to make it appear that they care. They were already dismissed from the case, and anything now is just acting.
If the West does get a seat at the table they need to realize the APA will start off by demanding that the West class will never have access to fly any wide bodies, except the new deliveries.
I agree its all entertaining but I think it will work out Ok except for the hard core extremists.
I am not so sure the company need to care if the West gets a seat. They just need to make it appear that they care. They were already dismissed from the case, and anything now is just acting.
If the West does get a seat at the table they need to realize the APA will start off by demanding that the West class will never have access to fly any wide bodies, except the new deliveries.
I agree its all entertaining but I think it will work out Ok except for the hard core extremists.
Enjoyed the back and forth and I hope I cleared up a few points but a nasty cold front comes and Georgetown calls. Internet is lousy in the Bahamas and I will usually be working on the boat or enjoying a rum punch or two (too damn old to enjoy the view!). Enjoy your winter (and raise)!
12-04-2013, 06:20 AM
#1942
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Well said Sewer Pipe. What if the USAPA pres. Hummel presents the NIC to the MB. There is a recall circulating for Hummel to step down. i think Hummel can be easily bought because he will mostly likely not ever hold a 1st class FAA. Every West pilot would be a captain. It will be interesting.
12-04-2013, 07:38 AM
#1943
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You missed the point. There will be no SLI before the MB. Read what the company wants. The West will have a seat at MB and present a NIC list and propose a SLI with APA. The East will present a DOH list and propose a SLI with APA. Neither one will get that. Three list SLI. One thing for certain the MB arbitrators will NOT punish the East. That is not their mandate. Fair integration is. The arbitrators already know basicly how they are going to integrate (UAL/CAL), just a few details to be decided. If the West does get a seat at the table there will be no East/West SLI, just three groups being combined. You people are just along for the ride. Federal law has power behind it. Don't believe any attorney that tells you they can beat it. P.T. Barnum is looking down.
12-04-2013, 07:59 AM
#1944
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Nope, you missed the point. You are saying the arbitrators will do a three way and that is not possible under MB, read the cimpny filings that explain that. What usairways is saying is that only one list will be integrated with American and that the MB arbitrators pick the list. I can't see any arbitrator undoing a prior arbitration.
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12-04-2013, 08:29 AM
#1945
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Nope, you missed the point. You are saying the arbitrators will do a three way and that is not possible under MB, read the cimpny filings that explain that. What usairways is saying is that only one list will be integrated with American and that the MB arbitrators pick the list. I can't see any arbitrator undoing a prior arbitration.
12-04-2013, 08:39 AM
#1946
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Let them think what they want to think. They post this crap to get a response. Look and the video they posted claiming victory then you go further in the video and their own attorney states that the MOU does not cover the seniority issue. The entire legal community is watching and will be shocked if that arbitration result is not used. Remember that NO pilot group has ever successfully overturned an arbitration award.
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12-04-2013, 08:53 AM
#1947
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So far this is all I can find from the company and it says 3 lists:
(61)
Pilot seniority integration here is unique in that the pilots of the two merging
carriers are faced with integrating three separate seniority lists as a result
of a five-year dispute among the pilots of one of the two merging carriers.
The West Pilots have been deemed a single unified group, as demonstrated
by this Court’s decision to again certify the class of approximately 1,600 West Pilots in this litigation, all of whom “are on the America West seniority list cu
rrently incorporated intothe West Pilot’s collective
bargaining agreement.” (ECF. No. 194, at 1:16-3:19.)
(61)
Pilot seniority integration here is unique in that the pilots of the two merging
carriers are faced with integrating three separate seniority lists as a result
of a five-year dispute among the pilots of one of the two merging carriers.
The West Pilots have been deemed a single unified group, as demonstrated
by this Court’s decision to again certify the class of approximately 1,600 West Pilots in this litigation, all of whom “are on the America West seniority list cu
rrently incorporated intothe West Pilot’s collective
bargaining agreement.” (ECF. No. 194, at 1:16-3:19.)
12-04-2013, 08:54 AM
#1948
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This dispute is about the
relative ordering of the US Airways East and West Pilots, and not about the ordering of
US Airways pilots as a group relative to American pilots. Although the American pilots’
merger representatives will presumably advocate for an overall US Airways-American
seniority integration that is relatively more beneficial to American pilots, USAPA offers
no reason why American’s pilots would care about the relative order of East and West
Pilots on the final integrated seniority list.8 And to the extent USAPA is concerned about
presenting a “united front” on behalf of US Airways pilots in the negotiation/arbitration
process with American’s pilots, that concern can easily be addressed by first determining
the relative order of East and West Pilots, in the McCaskill-Bond arbitration or otherwise,
and then proceeding to the integration with American pilots.
relative ordering of the US Airways East and West Pilots, and not about the ordering of
US Airways pilots as a group relative to American pilots. Although the American pilots’
merger representatives will presumably advocate for an overall US Airways-American
seniority integration that is relatively more beneficial to American pilots, USAPA offers
no reason why American’s pilots would care about the relative order of East and West
Pilots on the final integrated seniority list.8 And to the extent USAPA is concerned about
presenting a “united front” on behalf of US Airways pilots in the negotiation/arbitration
process with American’s pilots, that concern can easily be addressed by first determining
the relative order of East and West Pilots, in the McCaskill-Bond arbitration or otherwise,
and then proceeding to the integration with American pilots.
12-04-2013, 09:01 AM
#1949
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12-04-2013, 09:03 AM
#1950
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