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12-01-2013, 02:58 PM
#1921
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It really doesn't matter due to the fact they tried to conceal as opposed to disclose and that will be enough for the court to make a valid decision. Stop talking to characters of low morals as it serves no purpose anymore. They are hell bent on being dishonorable so let them continue that behavior. The court has already received several ex parte letters and that has done nothing but hurt their cause.
Stop all communication with them as they are beneath us and do not deserve our time or answers.
WD at AWA
Stop all communication with them as they are beneath us and do not deserve our time or answers.
WD at AWA
Just who do you think you are WD?
12-01-2013, 03:08 PM
#1922
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No, lay it out for me cacti as I want to have it for my notes.
I'm neither attorney nor judge. A lot of what has been argued on all sides seems illogical to me. Judge Silver distilled the rambling AOL suit to one question, right? Did USAPA fail it's DFR by not including the Nicolau award in the MOU? Okay, seems like a yes or no question. If they did have the duty to include the Nic the only remedy seems to be for them to be forced to begin negotiating with the APA with the Nicoalu award. I can't see how she say "They did fail the DFR, but I can't force it, so I will give you a seat at the table so a group of arbitrators can give it to you(A federal judge can't order it but a panel of arbitrators can?
). And if she ruled they didn't fail their DFR, how can she give any remedy?We'll see. I really don't know, but some of your arguments don't seem to make sense and you have a lousy track record, so forgive me for doubting you.
12-01-2013, 03:10 PM
#1923
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If all this happens then we win.
The courts will enforce the MOU. There is no if in that.
12-01-2013, 07:01 PM
#1925
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You aren't far off. The airways pilots will be integrated via the Nic. exactly. You can mark this post and come back to it when the final list is published. The MB arbitrators will say something along these lines
" this panel can not presume to know better than the fair and equitable list produced by Arbitrator Nicolau, that list fairly balances out the inequities caused by forced separate operations"
" this panel can not presume to know better than the fair and equitable list produced by Arbitrator Nicolau, that list fairly balances out the inequities caused by forced separate operations"
12-01-2013, 07:20 PM
#1927
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No. I suspect the MB arbitrators will integrate with current data, not the NIC. The arbitrators are charged with combining fairly "right now". Not fixing past problems. Look at the UAL-CAL merger and I suspect USAPA will come out a little worse than the CAL guys. Neither east nor west will be happy with it but it will be much more difficult to do anything about it. West won't get stapled, east will have west much higher than they want. Also APA will control and likely won't let things get out of hand.
12-01-2013, 07:38 PM
#1928
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The west BPR leaders had no responsibility to the guys they represented? Okay, but anyway, they are not the ones that filed the lawsuit(directly). The Addington plaintiffs did. How can they claim to not realize the Nic was done away with, only to file a lawsuit right after the vote because..........the Nic wasn't included? I have a hard time with that.
Anyway, you may be right. Judge Silver seems to be enamored with Siegal and I have no idea how she will rule. But, if they west doesn't start with the Nic, how are you seeing that they will come out close to the Nic in MB? Serious question and not driven nuts at all by your comment. When people whine about the thread is when I'm driven nuts.
Okay, but anyway, they are not the ones that filed the lawsuit(directly). The Addington plaintiffs did. How can they claim to not realize the Nic was done away with, only to file a lawsuit right after the vote because..........the Nic wasn't included? I have a hard time with that.Anyway, you may be right. Judge Silver seems to be enamored with Siegal and I have no idea how she will rule. But, if they west doesn't start with the Nic, how are you seeing that they will come out close to the Nic in MB? Serious question and not driven nuts at all by your comment. When people whine about the thread is when I'm driven nuts.
12-01-2013, 08:03 PM
#1929
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No. I suspect the MB arbitrators will integrate with current data, not the NIC. The arbitrators are charged with combining fairly "right now". Not fixing past problems. Look at the UAL-CAL merger and I suspect USAPA will come out a little worse than the CAL guys. Neither east nor west will be happy with it but it will be much more difficult to do anything about it. West won't get stapled, east will have west much higher than they want. Also APA will control and likely won't let things get out of hand.
12-02-2013, 02:32 AM
#1930
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What ever the combined list looks like it should be done near the end of 2015. The MOU is drafted with a 16.5% raise for 2016. There will be some disappointments in the combined list. The 16.5% raise will help soften the disappointment.
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