cactiboss

No he didn't, as a matter of fact Hummel never even testified. His deposition by the west lawyers he claims to know nothing about it.

brakechatter

Well, it is a public board. So I am free to express my opinion at will.

Besides, everything that goes on in this business has to do with everyone else; pattern bargaining an all. While you and the East quibble, you are bringing down the bargaining capability of everyone else. So, yeah, it has something to do with me.

You can save it, because I already know your retort. If those &@(#(* East guys would just live by their obligations you would have already had the best contract in place in the history of airlines. Your argument smacks of the entitled Comair clan, and every other airline group who overplays their hand.

You use words like SCAB because you have nothing but emotion in your actions. AWA has never done ANYTHING for the airline industry except be an anchor around the neck of compensation packages, and leading the charge to change age 60; now that reeks of the S word.

Neither East nor West had leverage for a collective agreement. The Mediator blew it in the list several times, the events since have proven that statement to be correct. Neither side is willing to budge because both know exactly what deal they got. ALPA knew it as well, and changed the M&A language.

Even when challenged, all you can come up with is "I know you are, but what am I?"

Pathetic, but I'm not surprised.

R57 relay

Who's deposition? Kirby's or Hummel's? I can't find one from Kirby on cactuspilot.com or the USAPA website. I have read Hummel's and will copy the relevant parts. I wondered why you guys didn't call Kirby to testify, as he could have refuted Hummel.

· · ·A.· ·So at that meeting Dave Bates, his
·8· overriding concern was on how USAPA was going to
·9· handle their current seniority integration issue
10· and would that be handled prior to any merger with
11· American.· And that concern was answered by Scott
12· Kirby, who made it perfectly clear that we weren't
13· going to deal with seniority in any way, shape or
14· form, that the McCaskill-Bond process would allow
15· us to deal with that at a later date, that we would
16· be able to work towards an MOU provided that there
17· was no discussion on seniority and that the
18· seniority issue would be dealt with after the
19· merger.

R57 relay

You won't believe anything. To counter you BS I have provided 10-K data, Parker's words, or in other words, facts. You can't get you head out of your rear long enough to see anything. The whole aviation world believes Doug Parker more than you.

cactiboss

Are you that stupid? Read what you wrote and then read what usapa claims the mou does. Kirby saYs mou is not to deal with seniority, now usapa claims what? Oh yeah, mou does away with Nic. Is that what Kirby said the mou was suppose to do? Is that what usapa told the west mou would do? Btw, that was taken from a deposition not trial testimony.

R57 relay

No, I'm not stupid but from your posts I can't come to any other conclusion for you. You wrote this: "His deposition by the west lawyers he claims to know nothing about it." It took me about 30 seconds to find his statement that blew your BS out of the water.

YOU READ. Take the Nic glasses off and actually read the MOU. Match that to what Pauley testified to and you will see that they say the same thing. It was neutral in respect to US/AW seniority and did away with the TA(where the Nic resides) and leaves the final solution to the MB process. If it didn't how could you have sued?

Hummel was sworn in prior to his deposition. It was entered into testimony with the risk of perjury. You didn't answer my question. Why didn't you guys call Kirby to testify? He could have easily refuted Hummel's deposition. He was right around the corner. Things that make you go hmmmm.

The email string entered into evidence show that your leaders knew exactly what the MOU meant. That why you filed a lawsuit right after it was passed? Cut the crap.

cactiboss

Dumb nuts, we were talking about 10h and hummel said he had no clue, your delusion is endless.

R57 relay

Before you call someone names and claim that they don't know something you really should do some research.

Here is 10h. Read it and tell me what it deals with. Ah heck, I'm going to spoil your surprise-SENIORITY.

"h. US Airways agrees that neither this Memorandum nor the JCBA shall provide a basis for
changing the seniority lists currently in effect at US Airways other than through the process set forth in
this Paragraph 10."

And here is the relevant part of Hummel's deposition. You know, the one where you said that Gary stated he didn't know anything about 10h? After actually reading it, see if you want to stick with that.

·Q.· ·Okay.· I want to direct your attention to
·1· page number seven, which is USAPA 001769, and ask you
·2· if you have any firsthand knowledge about how
·3· paragraph 10H came into existence?
·4· · · ·A.· ·Yes.
·5· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· Tell me what your firsthand
·6· information is with respect to how paragraph 10H came
·7· about.
·8· · · ·A.· ·I believe it was --
·9· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· I mean, when you say I believe, I
10· want to make sure that I'm getting your firsthand
11· information.· So when you say I believe, it's your
12· recollection?
13· · · ·A.· ·It's my recollection.
14· · · ·Q.· ·Firsthand?
15· · · ·A.· ·Firsthand.
16· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.
17· · · ·A.· ·That -- and I'll preface this by saying
18· that when I became president and the NAC first was
19· appointed, and I had a conversation with Roland and
20· Ken Holmes, Rocky Calveri, John Owens and Dean
21· Colello, when we were negotiating MOU I, I made it
22· perfectly clear to them that it was their objective
23· to deal with pay benefits and working conditions
24· and to not deal with any inference to seniority
25· given our charge from Scott Kirby and Dave Bates
·1· and the whole thing that that would be dealt with
·2· later, and that that was how we proceeded

Now, let's get back to my question that you sidestepped. Why didn't you guys call Kirby as a witness and blow Gary's deposition out of the water? Could it be that it would work very well for you? Naw. You need to get in touch with your handlers first?

cactiboss

Why would we need to call Kirby? Kirby said you are not to address east/west seniority in the Mou. Usapa included 10h in there for no reason, it wasn't requested by the company or apa. The only person to testify tha 10h "wiped the slate clean" was Collelo, he even testified that he never told a soul the meaning of 10h. So numb nuts, was Kirby's charge that the Mou not deal with east/west seniority followed by usapa? I mean, is wiping the Nic. Off the map considered not dealing with east west seniority? Was Symansky telling the west the mou did not give away our rights to the Nic. A lie?

R57 relay

Do you really believe this BS? If so, maybe the "We were duped!" defense if valid.

Yes, wiping the Nic off the map, along with a east/west DOH list, would be not dealing with east west seniority. It's as clear as if can be.