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Old 11-29-2013, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
What list did usairways and usapa negotiate or will negotiate for east and west? Aren't negotiations over between company and usapa?
Pretty much. The MOU lays out how things will go, depending what Judge Silver rules and if her ruling stands the, IMHO, inevitable appeals.

But you do remember that your group is suing for what isn't in the MOU, right?
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver
I would say that sums things up quite nicely. I am with you, pay raises and terminate that usair name from the record books. See TWA signed and honored their obligations and decided to fight it out without holding up the show. The east cant say that as they refuse to honor their word and obligations.

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TWA didn't have the set of circumstances that we did. That whole point is lost on you-WITH THE TA WE DIDN'T HAVE TO.
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by SewerPipeDvr
Reading this thread would give a rock a headache. So much third grade bull**** whining I find it difficult to believe you are "professional pilots".
This type post drives me nuts. WHY DO YOU READ IT? You don't have to, nobody is forcing you, you volunatrily came to a thread that you know is going to be about the SLI fight. Why do that and then complain about it? Geez!
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver
I know you will never except it but that 17 yr east guy was on the very bottom of your list sitting res first officer and he was merged in with our jr guy sitting res as well. See you all scream about lottery tickets and how unfair the award was but you refuse to see how totally unfair it would be to take that east jr res fo and merge him in with west line holding capts. No to you that's the gold standard.

Never in my life have I had to experience such a complete sense of entitlement as I have seen with the east.

When the judge rules against you we all expect the east to do as they have thus far and that is hold up the show with fruitless appeals that have zero chance of success.

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Did I say it would have been fair to place him as you say? NO, I didn't but Nicolau got it wrong. Read the Gill's reasoning PanAm/National. Look at UA/CO.
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:34 AM
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If Parker had let them go to the grave, AWA wouldn't have gotten squat. Other airlines would have gotten everything, and eventually AWA would have been a carcass carcass as well--only one with parts nobody wanted to feast upon. Neither happened, which is all that really matters.

Honor and integrity, don't make me laugh. Like you have it :roll eyes:

I am not part of your group, nor have I ever applied.

You are an infidel because you throw around the word scab in much the same way the East pilot called you rookies. You are as emotional and ill mannered as he. You have no union religion. You have no honor nor integrity because you choose to fight with anger rather than reason--like some on the east. You are the same, and AWA hired a lot of you. I pity you.
Actually it is I that has pity for you. I see you must stick your beak into our business and then don't have the decency to gather all the information before you post. I use words like "SCAB" to describe those who would bust a union to for the express purpose of serving themselves at the expense of the other. I fight with anger as most do but I guess where you live you fight while giggling your way to an eventual *** kicking huh? The reason that you so keenly missed is that we went to and agreed upon process called arbitration, maybe you've heard of the process. We did our part and we honored our obligations but I guess we should all just laugh it off while fighting according to you skewed logic.

This obviously has nothing to do with you yet you come here read the thread then pick people out of the crowd in which to hurl your insults. How about this, take yourself back to where ever you came from and go fight the laughing fight.

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Old 11-29-2013, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
Pretty much. The MOU lays out how things will go, depending what Judge Silver rules and if her ruling stands the, IMHO, inevitable appeals.

But you do remember that your group is suing for what isn't in the MOU, right?
No not pretty much, they are over. The mou was neutral, how come none of the union officers knew what 10h meant or who wrote it?
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Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver
The truth is you deserved to be stapled to our list. The east had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. I look back and wish Parker had let that east anchor of and operation sink and then pick off the pieces. I bet he does too now but live and learn.

Yes I am an infidel because I believe in HONOR and INTEGRITY. I believe in if I make a deal I stand by it. What is the term that is used for those who don't honor their word and lack integrity? Use that term to describe yourself next time you wish to toss insults!

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Pick off the pieces with what? AWA didn't have any money to buy anything. Parker saw the value in US, and since the merger we have seen it too, if you open you eyes.

You made a deal with the MOU and are not living up to it. The emails entered into evidence show that AOL knew what the MOU meant and after YOUR group overwhelmingly voted it, you turned around and sued! Integrity in action! What a crock.
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
No not pretty much, they are over. The mou was neutral, how come none of the union officers knew what 10h meant or who wrote it?
No, the company is still involved in the court case, so may be in an appeal and I believe under MB they have some role, but have claimed neutrality, except in court!

Everybody with a brain knew what 10h meant, and Hummel testified that Kirby wanted in there.

The APA had the TWA arbitration included in the MOU to guarantee that it was followed. How come the company didn't do the same with the Nic? How did they get let off the hook by Silver when they were a party to the MOU's construction and in her previous ruling she tasked them with insuring that any SLI was fair?
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
TWA didn't have the set of circumstances that we did. That whole point is lost on you-WITH THE TA WE DIDN'T HAVE TO.
With the TA we didnt have to honor our obligations we could do the dishonorable thing and stall the process out while stealing our way to glory and so long as the TA said so we are good

No what's lost on me is why you people are even given the same air as the rest of the civilized world to breath.

Oh the TA is also linked to the award and that award states the list goes into effect with a new contract. I see as usual you left out the meat and potatoes. The MOU if my reading of it also stated something about seniority neutral now you come on here claiming that it strips away the rights of the west pilot class. Good luck you are going to need it for the 9th circuit. I am going to wager that they too are going shoot you down in rapid fashion.

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Old 11-29-2013, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
Pick off the pieces with what? AWA didn't have any money to buy anything. Parker saw the value in US, and since the merger we have seen it too, if you open you eyes.

You made a deal with the MOU and are not living up to it. The emails entered into evidence show that AOL knew what the MOU meant and after YOUR group overwhelmingly voted it, you turned around and sued! Integrity in action! What a crock.

Yeah ok keep believing those sound bites realy as they really make your argument for you

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