cactusmike

I see we are still winning friends and creating new enemies.

Nothing to see here, just move along.

FreighterGuyNow

You might want to start paying attention then.

Under the Nic award a furloughed America West pilot with a 2008 hire date can hold Captain in the East system.

THEN we start the slotting by equipment and status a la Delta/United for the upcoming merger?

Captains get slotted in with other Captains right?

R57 relay

You left this out:

Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED
Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Associa
tion on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose.
DATED this 11
th
day of October, 2012


The problem with quoting any of it is that this DJ is a new game, just as AOL said. Different circumstances with the MOU. We'll just have to see what the Judge says this time.

But, since we are quoting Judge Silver let me add one of my favorites:

"MR. HARPER: When we get to this process here --
that's the process. When we get to the process --
Jen, can we put this back up, the timeline?
Your Honor, we go in to the post-August 15, 2013, and
moving in to the end of the year. We're saying when they go to
start that process, that they need to present the Nicolau Award
unless they have a legitimate union purpose for not doing so.
The touchstone is the legitimate union purpose.
THE COURT: Okay. Okay. I agree with you. But the
legitimated union purpose can be in representing everyone which
would also be the East Pilots and coming up with a combination;
right? You agree that there are a variety of different
seniority agreements --
MR. HARPER: There are a variety of seniority --
THE COURT: -- that can be fair to everyone."

brakechatter

Every group has their infidels. The East has this guy. The west has you and WD.

Wiskey Driver

Also tell him that third lister are also holding captain!! Keep going here man and also tell how the 17yr east guy who was one number away from furlough before you got bought out how he wants to be merged in with west line holding capts rather than the position he held on the east at the time which was JR RES FIRST OFFICER.

See the east never wants to tell the whole story only that which they think people will see wooo is me.

WD at AWA

Wiskey Driver

I cut you a lot of slack because you are a jr 3rd lister with little to know real insight into the whole deal. Dont mistake my kindness toward you son as I can very easily lump you in with the rest of the east that don't understand the meaning of BINDING ARBITRATION!

WD at AWA

crzipilot

The wrath of cactiboss . Eveyone step back. Your lives will be ruined if not granted the acceptance of Cacti.......

HA.....

1 Week and the TA is gone....

R57 relay

Yeah, and tell them how a guy in indoc was placed senior to a guy with 16-17 years LOS (never furloughed)and that placement great accelerated the bottom of the west list advancement at the expense of the east. Go ahead, tell them.

Of course even your attorney didn't understand what the Nic did:

"Q. Where do you stand on the Nicolau list?
A. I was put behind someone who was 16.4 years behind me and
I believe they are 15 years younger than me as well.
Q. Why were you put there?
A. It was the determination of the arbitrator.
Q. Based on what?
A. Based on the criteria he utilized to produce the award.
Q. Kind of hurts to say but he put you there because you were
on furlough at the time of the merger; is that correct?
A. No, sir. I've never served a single day on furlough.
Q. You weren't on furlough when these two airlines merged?
A. That's correct, yes.
Q. Thank you."

No really don't.My guess is the 99% of them don't care! We've been over all of this a million times. Judge Silver will rule soon and then we will find out the next course of action.

brakechatter

There's no question that the arbitrator blew it. You and I know. The west pilot's secretly know, ALPA knows as it has subsequently changed merger policy, even the DOJ knew it (how much of PHX was required to be divested?)

There is no question that the former AMWest pilots are lottery winners, the question is how big is the jackpot?

DCA A321 FO

Well brakechatter, some of these west boys aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. Look at what this one said:

The first words out of my mouth would be "I am not your ****ing son."
wd, you think that 4th stripe will keep me from slapping the **** out of you? Think again. You real colors will show through.