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Old 11-19-2013, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle
What's you point?

Are you one of the 12 guys that voted against the MOU?
Nah, I'm not a usapa member. I guess you don't know it took just one jetamerica pilot to dfr alpa? Or that modifying seniority because the majority wants it is illegal and not a LUP?
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Old 11-19-2013, 09:50 PM
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Oh, so the west gave up the Nic when it voted for the seniority "neutral" mou?
I know you two have this on going battle but allow me a moment to clarify a point. Their are two different declaratory actions but Purple you are arguing about the first one where the court dismissed that. There is a second dj before the court now you do know this right??

Cacti, usapa could not bury within a document an illegal act. It would be illegal for the MOU to be constructed in such a way as to hide the fact that if signed it would do away with a groups rights.

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Old 11-19-2013, 10:00 PM
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...Their are two different declaratory actions but Purple you are arguing about the first one where the court dismissed that. There is a second dj before the court now you do know this right??
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A second one? During a DFR trial? No really?
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:01 PM
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A second one? During a DFR trial? No really?
You dont have to be a a$$ I was not sure you knew is all.

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Old 11-19-2013, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
Nah, I'm not a usapa member. I guess you don't know it took just one jetamerica pilot to dfr alpa? Or that modifying seniority because the majority wants it is illegal and not a LUP?

Don't bother trying to persuade me of anything. First off I am not the majority that voted in favor of the MOU.

Second, I am not interested in joining your opposition of the majority, and its really pointless anyway. By definition the majority doesn't need to explain itself and has already decided. If you want the court to force the majority to do something other than what it wants then ya gots to prove that the court has jurisdiction, authority, and cause to intervene.... and then ya gots to prove it again and again through all the appeals. That should already be obvious. No need to waste your efforts trying to persuading me.

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Old 11-19-2013, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver
You dont have to be a a$$ I was not sure you knew is all.

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Its a long thread.

Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle
In truth, the company is attempting to get the court to award a provision in the MOU that the company didn't bother to negotiate, but that is not the most egregious thing.

The real ridiculous thing is that the company's motion is a motion for Declaratory Judgement (about the future) on the presumption that USAPA will not act fairly in the future,... the company submitted this motion for Declaratory Judgement in a trial about a DFR claim for past actions.
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle
Don't bother trying to persuade me of anything. First off I am not the majority that voted in favor of the MOU.

Second, I am not interested in joining your opposition of the majority, and its really pointless anyway. By definition the majority doesn't need to explain itself and has already decided. If you want the court to force the majority to do something other than what it wants then ya gots to prove that the court has jurisdiction, authority, and cause to intervene.... and then ya gots to prove it again and again through all the appeals. That should already be obvious. No need to waste your efforts trying to persuading me.

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Damn, you guys have thought of everything. Well I guess you got your doh wish locked up.
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
Damn, you guys have thought of everything. Well I guess you got your doh wish locked up.
The Nic was not fair and equitable, so says the majority. There will never be a majority that will accept the Nic.

My prediction is that in the end it will go very close to relative position, category, and status, with some fences on the wide bodies, and the majority will accept that. Oh, sure you will still have some folks that will pay a lawyer to hear sweet nothings whispered in their ear, about Nic or DOH.
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:48 PM
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The Nic was not fair and equitable, so says the majority. There will never be a majority that will accept the Nic.
yep! goes right along with the theory that the majority gets to decide. Now, you are aware that the Nic is considered fair and equitable by Silver, right?
My prediction is that in the end it will go very close to relative position, category, and status, with some fences on the wide bodies, and the majority will accept that. :
oh, just like the Nic then? Man you guys are brilliant, gave away $650 mil to end with a Nic like seniority list.
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yep! goes right along with the theory that the majority gets to decide. Now, you are aware that the Nic is considered fair and equitable by Silver, right?
It doesn't matter what Silver thinks about the Nic. It isn't the standard of DFR, it's not on trial, and USAPA has no intention to adopt it.
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