cactusmike

LOA 93 sucks, that's the truth. It is truly unfortunate that you have had to live under this for close to a decade now. However, you had the chance for pay parity and to get out from under LOA 93 but you guys decided that you would rather live under that contract than accept the Nicolau.

It's that simple, no one is keeping you under LOA93 but you.

crzipilot

Nic award + Kirby. Is worse than loa 93... IMHO

cactiboss

Kirby would be paying you what MOu 2 pays right now with 10 more days vacation. $650 Million according to bradford.

Wiskey Driver

Your MHO is a foolish one then because you would have either upgraded by now if you haven't already AND you would have had a minimum 15% pay increase immediately on top of that upgrade. This pilot group would have been working on its next contract to mimic that of DAL but because silly a$$ poorly thought out "humble opinions" like yours, this entire pilot group is in the cellar with the AWA pilots slightly better in terms of benefits. This is what happens when you bring EMOTION to a business decision.


WD at AWA

R57 relay

You guys have revisionist history on the Kirby. It was crap. You guys agreed it was crap until the Nic came out and it dawned on you that it, combined with the TA kept the lottery ticket at bay.

No raise for the 190, it gutted scope, no min fleet. That combined with the great recession of 2008 would have decimated us. The company was chomping at the bit to reduce but couldn't because of the TA.

justjack

Everyone on the property knows how bad the Kirby proposal was for labor and how great it was for management. At this point, everyone should know that a gutted scope is for a reason- it isn't a "just in case" plan. Parker knew very quickly that one side or the other would end up unhappy with the seniority. I doubt if he knew just how great this would work out but he had a good idea. We would be here under every scenario (contract negotiations). Parker understood how the RLA worked. He understood that he had inherited an older pilot group with the lowest wages in the industry. From the beginning he didn't really need or want a senior pilot group. He hated that typical layoffs among pilots cut the lowest paid from the group, leaving the more costly pilots on the payroll. Parker intended to keep LOA 93 using the RLA for as long as possible from the beginning. Although never needed, look no further than the American merger negotiations for proof.

crzipilot

Funny. I don't remember the Kirby paying 12th yr. f/o. 120/hr or there abouts?!?

crzipilot

Sure from the Kirby proposal to delta rates?!? What are you smoking out west?

CanoePilot

really?

Why does management want to cut flying so bad at this place? They should be ordering 100 planes for expansion.

R57 relay

In 2008 they had stepped on their you-know-what. They had bad fuel hedges coming due and a half a billion dollars gone poof with a bad investment, all while entering the great recession. It was a whole different picture then than now. The TA probably kept them from cutting and allowed them to ride the wave on recovery.